The Explosivly Popular P.O.D.

[Susan]

"On the contrary, becoming a Christian is full of change. You have to change your heart to match the way Jesus lived. You have to change your whole lifestyle. Once you are saved you cannot be doing ungodly things, you have to change the way you live."
AMEN!

"If they were all following God's commandments, and doing everything God says, they would be acting all the same way. Is there a problem with them all acting as Jesus would?"

Double AMEN.

Good posts Reckless

 

[supermagdalena]

If they were all following God's commandments, and doing everything God says, they would be acting all the same way. Is there a problem with them all acting as Jesus would?

Here we go again. You. Are. Not. Perfect. I don't care what you say. And neither are they. Ye who has not sinned throw the first stone...wait, no one here can do that!
I think we have a major case of a double standard.

 

[Warrior4Jah]

Susan, did you read my post? I already explained that in a way we are all the same in our living and following for Christ, but we are also diverse. We do not all live in teh same kind of house or have the same brand of clothes or like the same TV Shows, and there is nothing wron with that. We are on with God and diverse as indivituals.

 

[Loser For Jesus]

Sorry, POD are not a Christian band. Period. They're a worldly, secular band who are doing what they want in the name of the Lord.

(Exo 32:5-6) When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of the calf and announced, "Tomorrow there will be a festival to the LORD." (6) So the next day the people rose early and sacrificed burnt offerings and presented fellowship offerings. Afterward they sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.

I'd love to listen to POD. My "flesh" loves that kind of music. But POD is not acceptable to God, and so I don't listen to them. Neither should anyone who calls themselves a Christian and is at all concerned about holiness.

I know that'll be an unpopular view, but since its God's view its also mine.

love in Christ,
Malcolm

 

[Loser For Jesus]

Originally posted by supermagdalena
Here we go again. You. Are. Not. Perfect. I don't care what you say. And neither are they. Ye who has not sinned throw the first stone...wait, no one here can do that!
I think we have a major case of a double standard.

I think we have a major case of a cop out.

love in Christ,

Malcolm

 

[Satyricon]

Mark 7

14 He summoned the crowd again and said to them, "Hear me, all of you, and understand.
15 Nothing that enters one from outside can defile that person; but the things that come out from within are what defile."
16 ) 5
17 6 When he got home away from the crowd his disciples questioned him about the parable.
18 He said to them, "Are even you likewise without understanding? Do you not realize that everything that goes into a person from outside cannot defile,
19 7 since it enters not the heart but the stomach and passes out into the latrine?" (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
20 "But what comes out of a person, that is what defiles.
21 From within people, from their hearts, come evil thoughts, unchastity, theft, murder,
22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, licentiousness, envy, blasphemy, arrogance, folly.
23 All these evils come from within and they defile."



Can this not be applied to music as well?

 

[Loser For Jesus]

Originally posted by Satyricon
Can this not be applied to music as well?

Absolutely.

Matthew 23:26 First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

Of course, what's on the outside reflects what's on the inside. If the inside is clean, then the outside will be clean.

love in Christ,

Malcolm

 

[Warrior4Jah]

LFJ, um, any reason? Supposedly any ood cristian would not listen to "P.O.D." music, but.... why? Can you tell me anything bout P.O.D. t is agains Jesus, anythin theyv dne or sang? I mean, everyboy sins, you cant condemn P.O.D. if youve caught e o a bad ay or somethin, but has PO.D. ever done anything to openly and freely go against God? Can you name a single song P.O.D. has son that would be wrong? Please say so if you do.

 

[Warrior4Jah]

I dont knoweverything about God, He is so amazing, but I have a feeling God is happy about aything that causes such widespread conveying of His message, I think He is qute happy to know there are people in high places who are able to get His Word out anywhere and everywhere.

 

[supermagdalena]

I think we have a major case of a cop out.

Wow, we finally had someone step up and say that they are perfect and godly!  Or did we?

I am having ten emotional breakdowns at once.  Do not do this.  Just because I still struggle with curse words now and then doesn't mean I'm any less a good Christian than you.  Drop the judging.  Let ye who has not sinned throw the first stone.

You, my friend, have no right.  You have no right.  Who are you?  Do you have friends about to kill themselves and friends dying?  Suffering all around you, everyone breaking down at once and depending on you?  Maybe I'm not as strong as you.  Fine.  I'll accept that.  But that shouldn't make a difference.  I am not copping out, I'm telling the truth.  If you disagree with me you are lying.  No one is perfect, no one will ever be perfect, except for our Lord Jesus Christ.  No one can ever measure up to Him, and it is both haughty and arrogant to believe you can do so.  We must strive for this, but without thinking that we can pass up God, and without trampling other souls along the way.

What you say can make or break a person.  You just broke me.  How does that make you feel?  Good?  You feel even more better than me?  Heck, need I remind you,  I'm still a fairly new Christian.  And I've come a long way.  A looong way.  I hate that all being discredited. 

I'm leaving this thread soon and possibly this forum.  If the Christians on this pitiful excuse for a community are bringing me down, it ain't the place for me.

 

 

[Loser For Jesus]

Sorry, but I find it hard to understand how a simple one-line post led to all that.

 

[Loser For Jesus]

Originally posted by Warrior4Jah
LFJ, um, any reason? Supposedly any ood cristian would not listen to "P.O.D." music, but.... why? Can you tell me anything bout P.O.D. t is agains Jesus, anythin theyv dne or sang? I mean, everyboy sins, you cant condemn P.O.D. if youve caught e o a bad ay or somethin, but has PO.D. ever done anything to openly and freely go against God? Can you name a single song P.O.D. has son that would be wrong? Please say so if you do.

POD is a worldly band. They look worldly, they sing in a wordly way, they play in a worldly way, they talk in a worldly way, they promote themselves in a wordly way, they are surrounded by hype in a worldly way, they accept the praise of men in a wordly way. Non-Christians like their music and their image. Often, non-Christians or Christians alike are surprised to discover that POD are supposedly a "Christian" band. Why? Because there is little or no difference between them and a wordly band. Why are they so popular? Precisely because they feed people's flesh and appeal to that part of a "Christian" that doesn't want to deny itself and be holy and separate from the world. They are trying to imitate the world in every way and do it in the name of Jesus. That goes against God.

James 4:4  You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.

As to spreading the message of God? What message are they spreading? The message that holiness is no longer required to be a Christian? The message that Christians can be as wordly as they like so long as they tag on the name of Jesus? Sorry, but that's not the gospel of Jesus Christ, and the only thing that's being done by spreading that kind of message is damage.

Christians have to live in the world, yes. But we are also called to be separate from the world.

2 Cor 6:17-7:1  "Therefore come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you." (18) "I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty." Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.

There's a big difference between a boat being in the water and the water being in the boat.

Seriously, where is the holiness in POD - or in most contemporary "Christian" music? Where is the separateness from the world? Where is the denial of self?

love in Christ,

Malcolm

 

[Susan]

AMEN.

 

[Warrior4Jah]

Dude, its that kind of thinking I cant stand. You act like there is a christian image. The only image Christians got is loving and living for God! There is no such thing as a nonchristian genre! Anything that praises God, and coneys Gods Word is christian! Wether I sing "Jesus I love you, Jesus you shelter me, Jesus you are hope" in a hardrock way, or a reggae style, or a country style, or easy listening, its makes NO DIFFERENCE! And THATS the truth! I cant believe what your saying, your a perfect example a christian society that believes the only wya you can follow Jesus is by flowin with the pack and wearing "proper" clothes and having "proper" hairstyle! I wear baggy clothing, skateboard and play rock music as a hobbies, I hve long hair and the talk with a "street ghetto" accent, and I love God! I live for God! And no matter what style I like it will always be like that! Im not trying to please the rest of world or try to fit in with the rest of teh world, the only crowd I gotta fit in with is the crowd of Jesus Christ! I jsut happin to like things this way, if thats whats "popular" now, then cool, im being myself. P.O.D. isnt imitating the world, they are dressing and rocking the way they feel like. You do not know P.O.D. L4J, you have no right to speak for other people. Ive been a fan of P.O.D. for years, way back when they were still underground playin wherever they could, scroungin for money. I knew em since they first got off, and they havent compromised who they were or what they were just to please the world. The only thing Ive seen change about em is their strength in God. Holiness has nothing to do with the way you dress, or sing, or have fun. Its whats in your HEART and SOUL taht counts, and thats the TRUTH.

 

[supermagdalena]

I was on the edge, maybe you should think about that?  My friend may have a serious heart condition and my other friend's tried to commit suicide three times in the last month.  I just found this all out last night right before I read your sarcastic, rude little comment.  I'm sick of personal digs in this thread.  It's just stupid.

I echo what Warrior said...there is no specific genre that is evil.  Satan owns nothing, but Satan can pervert things.  God created everything and can use anything to His purpose.  Even rock music.  Rock music is not evil and is not of the devil.  Many of the bands, maybe, or the songs, are, but not all.  Research into it before you make your decision?  Have you?  Because I research everything, I don't want to fall for any crap, so I research everything, adn read all sides.  You haven't done that.  You don't even listen to us, so why should we even try?  You're just talking.   You don't care what we say at all.  Why is POD evil if they've brought so many people to Christ?  "By their fruits you will know them..".  Look at POD's fruits, not their dreadlocks, or their tattoos, or the sound of their music.  Listen to the lyrics, look at the emotion, the intention, the passion for God.  Look past appearance.  I have some friends who wear weird stuff, some who look borderline gothic even, and they are also some of the most wonderful Christian people I know.  Strong people.  Righteous people.  Sometimes you have to look past appearance into one's heart.  John the Baptist at first glance looked like a lunatic.  But he was a holy, righteous man of God who lived it until they put his head on a platter.  Many, many thought that Jesus was a madman.  Same with many of the apostles.  Because they were so zealous, so passionate for God that they had a wild glimmer in their eye.  I want that passion, even if it causes people like you to judge me.

 

[Warrior4Jah]

*sih* Im not gonna bother, ill just wiat for Reckless to get back. Im down with anyone who loves, praises, and lives for God. If you aint, ah well dude. Its like the song know me, as long as P.O.D. is big there will always be dudes wnatin to bring em down. It doesnt really matter what the few think as long as the majority knwo the truth.

chorus
Where do you stand in this Battle Cry?
Represent!
I and I a Jah Jah warrior
4x
The reconstruction commences; the soldiers equip for the lessons
My life, a sacrifice is made new through these confessions
Manifested, this joy is my desire
Light this fire to flames; praise the name, Jehovah Jireh
Is my provider, the truth that lives inside of this fighter?
Take me higher, Master, Sire makes me a good rider
I'm gonna ride on down til I break through the front lines
And ain't going home until I gets mines

chorus

I grab ahold of my second chance, this time gonna make it last
Left the world came back an Outkast
To lay among the remains, through the trials and the pains
Run for cover, make shelter, uncharted terrains
Bloodstains light the paths to the ways of living breath
My soul is put to the test
Blessed with a mic in my hand, Jah make straight my steps
Then I hooked up with Payable On Death
We flow in Unity, stand in One while the foolish be
Lost in this hour, with Power we have Authority
To overcome while these cowards just pick up and run
We ain't done till this battle has been fought and won
The victory, how sweet it be, is already ours
Holding the stars, is the man that carries my scars
Always the same, I wear his name with no shame
Here in this Battle Cry, we will never die

We will never die Tribal Warriors

chorus



Let it be know that you heard it from here
When I'm on this microphone you know I make myself clear
With the power, with the love with the boldness
Look in my eyes and remember wo told you this
Payable on Death gonna hit ya hit-man
Talk all you want, I don't fear any man
Cuz ya frontin' ain't nothin but words to me
You never had the stuff and your butt ain't crazy enough
To handle, we come step to me
My King is He in the power of Three
So what you want you ain't down with us
You get so scared, so mad when I say the word Jesus
I ain't down, you preach too much
But if you ask me boy, I don't think I preach enough
I tell you God is real, so don't miss the boat
But since we come off hard, you say we shove it down your throats
You wanna talk that talk, walk that walk
I'm the only person you see, but it ain't me that you mock
Man is nothing, but you think that you're bad
Fool if it wasn't for my God, I would have already had you
Deny His name are you willing to admit it
And if so, are you willing to die for it
Cuz I am, He is my life and I don't fear death
Cuz he already paid the Price
All your talk and are your threats ain't jack blaspheme my God
Yo punk I'm not having that, turn away it's your own loss
Cuz all I can do is just take them to the cross

Take em to the cross....

You take em to the cross....
Everybody

You take em to the cross...
When words fail!

You take to the cross...
When you fail!

You take em to the cross...
Show em Jesus....

 

[Loser For Jesus]

Originally posted by supermagdalena
I echo what Warrior said...there is no specific genre that is evil.

I have never, ever, said that there was.

Because I research everything, I don't want to fall for any crap, so I research everything, adn read all sides.  You haven't done that.

Ah, so quick to judge!

Why is POD evil if they've brought so many people to Christ?  "By their fruits you will know them..".  Look at POD's fruits, not their dreadlocks, or their tattoos, or the sound of their music.  Listen to the lyrics, look at the emotion, the intention, the passion for God.  Look past appearance.

That's precisely what I am doing.

John the Baptist at first glance looked like a lunatic.  But he was a holy, righteous man of God who lived it until they put his head on a platter.  Many, many thought that Jesus was a madman.  Same with many of the apostles.  Because they were so zealous, so passionate for God that they had a wild glimmer in their eye.

The difference being that John the Baptist, Jesus, and the apostles were denying themselves rather than feeding their flesh and their own desires.

I want that passion, even if it causes people like you to judge me.

I'm not judging you. And I certainly hope that you do get that passion someday.

love in Christ,

Malcolm

 

[Loser For Jesus]

Originally posted by Warrior4Jah
I'm not gonna bother, ill just wiat for Reckless to get back. Im down with anyone who loves, praises, and lives for God. If you aint, ah well dude.

Ah, it seems like everyone is jumping on the "judging" bandwagon now!

 Its like the song know me, as long as P.O.D. is big there will always be dudes wnatin to bring em down. It doesnt really matter what the few think as long as the majority knwo the truth.

(Mat 7:13-14)  "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. (14) But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

chorus
Where do you stand in this Battle Cry? ... etc. etc. through P.O.D. lyrics

And you think that glorifies God? Oh well. There's not much more I can say, really.

love in Christ,

Malcolm

 

[supermagdalena]

I'm no longer bothering in this circular argument anymore unless we start getting somewhere.  I'll watch for Reckless.

 

[Caedmon]

Originally posted by Loser For Jesus
Ah, it seems like everyone is jumping on the "judging" bandwagon now!

(something about a plank, or something or another... *trails off*)

(Mat 7:13-14)  "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. (14) But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

I think he was refering to the majority of Christians, but then again, a lot of nonChristians like POD too.

And you think that glorifies God? Oh well. There's not much more I can say, really.

Any time someone rallies Christians for the sake of Christ("ride on Jah-Jah warriors"), I would say a legitimate revival call is being given.