The evolving LIES of evolution

[nabiscothejerd]

DiD anyone else notice where he said "like when scientists said said the earth was flat. When did scientists ever say the world was flat. Even the church in the Midle Ages believed in a round earth. Check this out

http://http://www.id.ucsb.edu/fscf/library/RUSSELL/FlatEarth.html

 

[f U z ! o N]

DiD anyone else notice where he said "like when scientists said said the earth was flat. When did scientists ever say the world was flat. Even the church in the Midle Ages believed in a round earth. Check this out

http://http://www.id.ucsb.edu/fscf/library/RUSSELL/FlatEarth.html

get rid of the first http://
new link
http://www.id.ucsb.edu/fscf/library/RUSSELL/FlatEarth.html
but it still goes to microsoft.com

 

[nabiscothejerd]

get rid of the first http://
new link
http://www.id.ucsb.edu/fscf/library/RUSSELL/FlatEarth.html
but it still goes to microsoft.com

Oops, my fault. Just go to google and search for Flat Earth Myth. It's the second result.

 

[419gam]

first, look at my previous posts. second, when dad posts all he gets in return is mocking.



its uncertain enough that some books have a sticker on them saying "EVOLUTION IS JUST A THEORY". plus, if it werent so certain it wouldnt be up for discussion in kansas now would it??

I love this set-up. When ridicoulous creationist claims are ignored it is proof, that evolution is a failed and dishonest science. When evolutionists respond to the debate creationists claim that the very fact that the debate is occuring is proof that evolution is weak;. You can't win.

 

[Ampoliros]

throughout history, there have been numerous attempts to bring down christianity. Those involved have used many different tactics as ways to take people away from Jesus. The truth is never complicated, its always smack in your face and impossible to ignore!

throughout history, there have been numerous attempts to bring down Iggy the Magic Elf. Those involved have used many different tactics as ways to take people away from Iggy. The truth is never complicated, its always smack in your face and impossible to ignore!

So when I heard of evolution in school and college, it always kept me dumbfounded on how someone could support such a uncertain scientific theory. Seemingly intelligent men and women supporting flat-out lies, or not presenting the other side of the evolution. That other side would be creationism. Creationism has more logic behind it than evolution, and i will give my reasoning below..

Evolution is not uncertain scientifically; nor are scientists supporting flat out lies.

first of all, in order to believe in evolution, that means that it had to of elasped over millions and millions of years. however, by dating certain events of the bible, one can discover that the earth cannot be more than 6,000 years old!

By 'dating', I'm sure you mean 'adding the ages of people together in one chapter of the Bible, despite differing interpretations exist of said passage and the fact that we find little to no extrabiblical evidence that said people listed ever existed'. I find this method of age determination to be a bit more suspect then a exponential curve.

so evolution either happened over 6000 years(sicentists say no) or it DIDNT HAPPEN AT ALL!!

I find it interesting that you rely on scientists here, whereby later you're arguing (in essence) the entire scientific community is lying to us; regardless, considering your earlier statement that the earth is 6000 years old is pretty much disregardable, so is this statement.

to suggest that evolution only deals with life on earth, is wrong. because it also makes references to other forums of science. including the big bang.

Uh...No. Evolution would work regardless of the big bang, abiogenesis, and other theories that creationists like yourself enjoy lumping in with evolution. If God had *zapped* the entire universe into being 3.5 billion years ago, creating the first primitive life-form on earth, evolution would have taken over from there. It doesn't matter where that life form came from; while it is a scientific question, it is outside the scope of evolution.

it is often told, that we did not evolve from modern apes or monkeys, but rather us and them share a common ancestor.

Hmm; well, you at least you got this part right. We do say that, because its pretty well supported.

This idea however has some major flaws. Because some of the reported "missing links" have been shown to be fakes.

Admitted, some scientists have faked data. However, if you notice, it is not AiG, ICR, or Dr. Hovind who have been revealing these flaws. Scientists doing peer review were the ones who discover these hoaxes, and I would extremely doubt any person caught faking data would be ever seriously taken again (even in college, the penalties for faking work are fierce).

What does this kind of message tell us about those scientists? are those evolutions so desperate to find evidence FOR their theory that they literally make it up?

Not every scientist does this. To use an analogy, you would have us throw out the entire system of criminal laws if we found a few police officers who were dishonest. Not very logical.

Some scientists are motivated to falsification by want for fame; however, I would make mention that nothing earns one more fame and recognition than disproving a long-standing theory (see Einstein, and his disproving the whole Newtonian mechanics thing.)

It seems that evolution is the conclusion that scientists make, and now they search desperately for the evidence! how laughable!!

*blam*
You owe me a new irony meter.

you can look at any two animals on earth, and notice that they are almost identical. however no two people on earth are alike, we look vastly different from each other! humans HAD to of been designed by a higher power.

Humans look vastly different from each other because we shave, apply beauty products, get haircuts, take showers, wear clothing (of specific fashions), dye our hair, and otherwise do lots of stuff to stand out (or not). I'm sure this makes it a bit harder to view smaller changes, such as amongst animals.

With this, the argument goes : Animals don't shave. Humans do. Therefore, God created the universe 6000 years ago as literally described in Genesis. Bit of a leap, still.

what I witness here, proves my point. often the most intellectual creationists here (carico, dad, sacklunch) are often mocked by the evolutions.

Which, of course, an honest, intellectual creationist would never, ever do back. Honestly, people flame on both sides of the fence. Hovind, among others, has said some less-than-reputable things about scientists, evolution, atheists, and theistic evolutionists (Christians who support evolution); I do not begrudge them their complementary counter-mocking.

rather than give example to their own theory, they spend time mocking Jesus and christianity.

Many examples are given out; creationists, however, seem content to ignore them or attempt to explain them away with religious or pseudoscientific babble.

Oh, and also; there are many, many, Christians who support evolution who, for obvious reasons, would not mock Jesus. Evolution != Atheism, Creationist != Christian

this kind of nonsense however, is not new, it's been done in the past, and will continue to happen in the future.

Persecution card. Yawn.

the only thing I can say is, with time we will continue to find flaws with evolutionism, and eventually it will become a thing of the past.

*boom*
Thats two irony meters.

like when scientists said the earth was flat, or said we would never walk on the moon.. we owe or Lord thanks.

Because the Lord did pick up Neil Armstrong, and clothed him in his mighty space suit, and did deposit him along with Buzz Aldrin onto the Sea of Tranquility along with supplies for several days and a convienient Lunar Lander. You know, from what I can tell, the whole moon landing thing - that was all us humans here.

AMEN!

Thanks for playing C&E, come again.

 

[dlamberth]

Frumious Bandersnatch in another thread asked: Did you ever read Radiometric Dating a Christian Perspective? The link Frumious provided is very good and I believe should be a required read by Young Earth believers.


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[Kris_J]

throughout history, there have been numerous attempts to bring down christianity. Those involved have used many different tactics as ways to take people away from Jesus. The truth is never complicated, its always smack in your face and impossible to ignore! So when I heard of evolution in school and college, it always kept me dumbfounded on how someone could support such a uncertain scientific theory. Seemingly intelligent men and women supporting flat-out lies, or not presenting the other side of the evolution. That other side would be creationism. Creationism has more logic behind it than evolution, and i will give my reasoning below..

first of all, in order to believe in evolution, that means that it had to of elasped over millions and millions of years. however, by dating certain events of the bible, one can discover that the earth cannot be more than 6,000 years old! so evolution either happened over 6000 years(sicentists say no) or it DIDNT HAPPEN AT ALL!! to suggest that evolution only deals with life on earth, is wrong. because it also makes references to other forums of science. including the big bang.

it is often told, that we did not evolve from modern apes or monkeys, but rather us and them share a common ancestor. This idea however has some major flaws. Because some of the reported "missing links" have been shown to be fakes. What does this kind of message tell us about those scientists? are those evolutions so desperate to find evidence FOR their theory that they literally make it up? It seems that evolution is the conclusion that scientists make, and now they search desperately for the evidence! how laughable!! you can look at any two animals on earth, and notice that they are almost identical. however no two people on earth are alike, we look vastly different from each other! humans HAD to of been designed by a higher power.

what I witness here, proves my point. often the most intellectual creationists here (carico, dad, sacklunch) are often mocked by the evolutions. rather than give example to their own theory, they spend time mocking Jesus and christianity. this kind of nonsense however, is not new, it's been done in the past, and will continue to happen in the future. the only thing I can say is, with time we will continue to find flaws with evolutionism, and eventually it will become a thing of the past. like when scientists said the earth was flat, or said we would never walk on the moon.. we owe or Lord thanks.

AMEN!

does this have anything to do with the "lying is ok" thread?

 

[Jet Black]

1 radiocarbon dating has been shown to give false results. one thing I heard of was recently killed seals being dated to over 50000 years old! do you beleive that??

tell me, where do seals get most of their carbon from?

 

[Gracchus]

1 radiocarbon dating has been shown to give false results. one thing I heard of was recently killed seals being dated to over 50000 years old! do you beleive that??

Radiocarbon dating can only be used to date organisms that get their carbon from the atmosphere.

2 evolution is trying to distroy creationism. thats what it was invented for, as a way to explain the world around us without religion!

Actually, creationism is a desperate attempt to destroy reason. It enables the ignorant, in their hubris, to claim greater status than the learned.

3. from the posts i witness, he hasnt been discredited as of yet..i only see mocking.

He ignores evidence, makes ridiculous assertions based on fantastical humbuggery, and postulates baseless nonsense. What's not to mock?

 

[Beastt]

throughout history, there have been numerous attempts to bring down christianity.

Another blind avoidance of the fact that many Christians believe in evolution.

Those involved have used many different tactics as ways to take people away from Jesus. The truth is never complicated, its always smack in your face and impossible to ignore! So when I heard of evolution in school and college, it always kept me dumbfounded on how someone could support such a uncertain scientific theory. Seemingly intelligent men and women supporting flat-out lies, or not presenting the other side of the evolution. That other side would be creationism. Creationism has more logic behind it than evolution, and i will give my reasoning below..

And in all that you present below, you show none of the logic you claim is behind creationism. That's because there isn't any. It's just a claim with no explanation, no supporting details and nothing which would present it as a credible possibility.

first of all, in order to believe in evolution, that means that it had to of elasped over millions and millions of years. however, by dating certain events of the bible, one can discover that the earth cannot be more than 6,000 years old!

You're assuming the Bible is correct. It isn't. Not only is the Bible not correct concerning the age of the Earth, it makes at least 4 impossible claims on the very first page. Holding the bible as the measure for the accuracy of science will always yield controversial results because the Bible shows every evidence of being nothing more than the superstitions of ancient, uneducated men.

so evolution either happened over 6000 years(sicentists say no) or it DIDNT HAPPEN AT ALL!!

Completely false. Evolution occurred over millions of years on a planet that has existed for about 4.6 Billion years.

to suggest that evolution only deals with life on earth, is wrong. because it also makes references to other forums of science. including the big bang.

I'm not sure why it is that so many creationists on this forum find it so completely necessary to further undermine their own argument through such blatant displays of ignorance concerning their complete lack of understanding of what evolution is and what evolutionary theory does and doesn't say.

it is often told, that we did not evolve from modern apes or monkeys, but rather us and them share a common ancestor. This idea however has some major flaws. Because some of the reported "missing links" have been shown to be fakes.

There are no missing links and there are millions of missing links all at the same time. I'm going to give you the times noted, more or less at random from an atomic clock. Your job is to show me the missing links in the time which proves that time does not move forward. Ready?

00:00:00.012
00:00:06.290
00:00:08.971
00:01:12.231
00:03:18.917
00:04:18.918
00:04:18.921
00:07:45.017
00:07:51.529
00:08:32.481
00:08:35.113
00:09:16.588
00:09:18.005
00:09:34.861
10:00:01.002

Did you find the missing link? Was there more than one? Can you now show us how this proves that time does not progress forward in a primarily linear fashion?

Now; using the same logic of the missing link, tell us what link is missing, if there is more than one, how you know that it's missing and what it would have to show if it were found.

What does this kind of message tell us about those scientists? are those evolutions so desperate to find evidence FOR their theory that they literally make it up? It seems that evolution is the conclusion that scientists make, and now they search desperately for the evidence!

You're applying the kind of methods applied to creationism to evolution which is opposite the truth. Evolution is science. It is a conclusion reached through observation, study and experimentation with the evidence. Creationism is not science. It is a foregone conclusion, based on biblical text, which then seeks to find evidence.

how laughable!! you can look at any two animals on earth, and notice that they are almost identical. however no two people on earth are alike, we look vastly different from each other! humans HAD to of been designed by a higher power.

And apparently since marbles are round, cake made with chalk instead of eggs HAS to be more moist. Your point seems to be lacking a point. We all carry slightly different genetic material which affects our outward appearance, therefore we had to have been designed by a higher power? And of course that means that God sits inside every cloud and personally designs each and every snowflake through means we can show are based on the properties water adheres to when crystalizing and would do so with or without involvement from God.

what I witness here, proves my point. often the most intellectual creationists here (carico, dad, sacklunch) are often mocked by the evolutions.

Okay, now I have it figured out. You're an atheist seeking to discredit all YECs by finding some of the best examples of ignorance concerning evolution and referring to them as the "most intellectual". Such a technique is incredibly transparent.

rather than give example to their own theory, they spend time mocking Jesus and christianity.

I keep reading about all the mocking going on but even though I follow most of the creationism/evolusion threads, I never seem to find it. Can you provide examples?

this kind of nonsense however, is not new, it's been done in the past, and will continue to happen in the future. the only thing I can say is, with time we will continue to find flaws with evolutionism, and eventually it will become a thing of the past.

Despite the fact that it has answered every challenge so far. Despite the fact that creationism has already been falsified over and over. And despite the fact that new evidence continues to strengthen evolutionary theory rather than weaken it.

like when scientists said the earth was flat,

Actually, that was never a widespread view and it never came from science. It came directly from the Bible and there are still those out there attempting to prove the Earth is flat just as you are attempting to prove that evolution is false.

or said we would never walk on the moon.. we owe or Lord thanks.

Scientists are the ones that got us to the moon. And had they relied upon the complete accuracy of the Bible to get there, we'd still by flying around at night in a Cesna trying to get there because the Bible claims that the moon lies within our atmosphere.

 

[artybloke]

You must admit that this is a fairly far-fetched theory to base evolution on.

Arguments from icredulity are not rational. And the Big Bang is nothing to do with evolution.

 

[USincognito]

I call joke poster. Putting dad as reasonable is like asking Dr. Hovind for medical attention.

The phrase some of us use is "sniff test" and this thread doesn't pass it...

 

[dlamberth]

throughout history, there have been numerous attempts to bring down christianity. Those involved have used many different tactics as ways to take people away from Jesus. The truth is never complicated, its always smack in your face and impossible to ignore! So when I heard of evolution in school and college, it always kept me dumbfounded on how someone could support such a uncertain scientific theory. Seemingly intelligent men and women supporting flat-out lies, or not presenting the other side of the evolution. That other side would be creationism. Creationism has more logic behind it than evolution, and i will give my reasoning below..

what I'm not getting is how if a person truly gave their heart to Jesus Christ as their personal savior, if that same person also held to evolution as God's way of Creating, how would that same person be any less Christian or have his fath in Jesus weakened? The only way I can see that happening is if they had not truly given their heart to Jesus Christ as their personal savior.

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[dlamberth]

what I witness here, proves my point. often the most intellectual creationists here (carico, dad, sacklunch) .....

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[Valkhorn]

I agree... something tells me this has to be a parody.

 

[rachelness]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Give me some warning next time you do that, my keyboard is covered with soda.

The funniest thing being that people like Dad probably really are the [size=-1]crème de la crème of creationist apologietics. The rest are probably swinging from trees somewhere deep in the Ozarks.
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[Carico]

Fallacy number 1: The Bible isn't entirely true, y'know. The planet is indeed well over six thousand years old; radiocarbon dating reveals it to be more like 4.6 billion years old.

Fallacy number 2: Evolution is not an attempt at destroying Christianity.

Fallacy number 3: You seriously listen to what SackLunch says?

And how do you know these things? From scientists who keep changing their minds every generation? Which science do you believe? Today's science or tomorrow's science that corrects today's science?

 

[TheBigAl]

And how do you know these things? From scientists who keep changing their minds every generation? Which science do you believe? Today's science or tomorrow's science that corrects today's science?

This is known from actual science, and not the science that you have created in your head for self-protection from the world.

 

[Nymphalidae]

The funniest thing being that people like Dad probably really are the [size=-1]crème de la crème of creationist apologietics. The rest are probably swinging from trees somewhere deep in the Ozarks.
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Having lived in Missouri, this assessment is accurate.

 

[Dannager]

And how do you know these things? From scientists who keep changing their minds every generation? Which science do you believe? Today's science or tomorrow's science that corrects today's science?

Scientists only change their minds based on new evidence that is uncovered. The very phrase "chaging their minds" implies that the choice is open to wild interpretation, when in reality there's a very strict method that is followed and usually only a single valid conclusion that can be drawn from given evidences.

Furthermore, scientific theories aren't to be believed. They are to be accepted until falsified, at which point they are either thrown out or altered to incorporate new findings. You also ask "Which science do you believe?" as though there is more than one choice. There are issues up for debate currently, as there are in all scientific fields, but the best anyone can do is to accept the facts and theories in place at any given time.

Debate is healthy. That's why we're here. Scientists debate constantly. The very study of science is focused on uncovering new data and disproving old, invalid theories. If scientists could falsify evolution, believe me, they would. The prestige gained from disqualifying what is held to be one of the most solid theories of our day in the scientific community would be enormous.

In conclusion, stop trying to discredit science. You can't. It's a laughable attempt.