the evolution of YECism

[immortalavefenix]

Do you know that many slaves shared the Gospel with their masters and their masters became believers?

And STILL kept their slaves as slaves? Many. Many indeed.

Well I sure am thankfull God saw it within himself to never mentioned that hey, maybe owning slaves in the frist place might not to nice of an idea.

The amount of slaves that might have avoided their particular plight notwithstanding.

 

[Critias]

And STILL kept their slaves as slaves? Many. Many indeed.

Well I sure am thankfull God saw it within himself to never mentioned that hey, maybe owning slaves in the frist place might not to nice of an idea.

The amount of slaves that might have avoided their particular plight notwithstanding.

Yes. Still kept their slaves who stayed to teach their masters more about Jesus Christ.

What we as humans seem not to be able to understand is God's Plan and if we don't we call it into question. Your response above indicates you would have done differently than God.

It was not owning slaves that was so bad. It was the treatment of slaves here in America. They were beaten, sodomized, raped, and killed. All of these things taught against in the Bible. The fact that slaves worked for masters was not the issue.

Paul sent Onesimus back to Philemon. Was Paul wrong?

 

[immortalavefenix]

Yes. Still kept their slaves who stayed to teach their masters more about Jesus Christ.

Yes kept thier slaves. Owning slaves is immoral. Period. God should not be in the buisness of approving immoral activities.

What we as humans seem not to be able to understand is God's Plan and if we don't we call it into question

If it is "God's" plan for me to be a slave I WILL NOT ACCEPT it.
If it is "God's" plan for me to incinirate Jews in a baking oven I WILL NOT ACCEPT IT.
If it is "God's" plan to kill men women and childern indescriminatly I WILL NOT ACCEPT IT.
If it is "God's" plan for me to own slaves I WILL NOT ACCEPT it.
If it is "God's" plan for me kick Jews out of their homes I WILL NOT ACCEPT it.
If it is "God's" plan for me to do anything which is amoral, wrong, evil, unethical, illegal, cruel, sadistic, or unfair I WILL NOT ACCEPT it.

To do otherwise is not only of supreme irresponsibility to the rest of humanity, it is selfisness to the extreme, and requires a aweinspireing thickheadedness.

Those kind of people scare me. God forbid Their "God" ever tells you to smash planes into buildings...

It was not owning slaves that was so bad.

It was about owning slaves being WRONG. ALWAYS.
Repeat what you said to a black man. To his face.

It was the treatment of slaves here in America

The VERY ACT of owning slaves is abusive, irregardless of the treatment thereof.

The fact that slaves worked for masters was not the issue.

YOU apparently have no issue with slavery.

 

[Critias]

Yes kept thier slaves. Owning slaves is immoral. Period. God should not be in the buisness of approving immoral activities.

Is that you feel when God allows things to happen that we consider bad that it is He who is immoral?

If it is "God's" plan for me to be a slave I WILL NOT ACCEPT it.
If it is "God's" plan for me to incinirate Jews in a baking oven I WILL NOT ACCEPT IT.
If it is "God's" plan to kill men women and childern indescriminatly I WILL NOT ACCEPT IT.
If it is "God's" plan for me to own slaves I WILL NOT ACCEPT it.
If it is "God's" plan for me kick Jews out of their homes I WILL NOT ACCEPT it.
If it is "God's" plan for me to do anything which is amoral, wrong, evil, unethical, illegal, cruel, sadistic, or unfair I WILL NOT ACCEPT it.

You really went off the deep end here.

You know, if it is God's plan for me to serve another, I will take great joy in the fact that God is using me for carrying out His plan.

Don't confuse the issue that because they were slaves that it is equal to the treatment they received. They were slaves to work for their master. How their master treated them is another story. Don't equate the "job" with the "treatment".

To do otherwise is not only of supreme irresponsibility to the rest of humanity, it is selfisness to the extreme, and requires a aweinspireing thickheadedness.

If that is how you feel about heeding God's plan for your life.

Those kind of people scare me. God forbid Their "God" ever tells you to smash planes into buildings...

I think you are equating a job with the treatment. That if a slave is obtained for a job that it automatically means that they must be beaten, sodomized, raped and killed. The Bible is quite clear about these being wrong.

It was about owning slaves being WRONG. ALWAYS.
Repeat what you said to a black man. To his face.

That is because of how they were treated. If they were treated with respect, as Christians should do, if they were taken care of properly, if they wouldn't have been mistreated then there wouldn't be such a horrible thought with slavery.

Slavery, without the "treatment" is much like having a job except the master gives you a place to live and provides you food. Unfortunately, here in America and elsewhere they were treated unjustly and cruelly.

You seem to think I support how they were treated or that I support slavery all together. I don't, I am just trying to convey that God always has a plan.

The VERY ACT of owning slaves is abusive, irregardless of the treatment thereof.

If slaves were treated how they should be treated it would be no different than modern day butlers and maids who are provided a place to sleep and food.

I am willing to bet that if they were treated with respect and cared for, many people wouldn't mind so much, especially the very poor. They wouldn't mind having a roof over their heads for themselves and their children; being provided food 3 times a day, everyday. They wouldn't mind working and getting paid for it. Able to to live according to their culture as long as they complete their tasks.

We would have a lot less people in poverty and on the streets.

Again, I am not supporting slavery, I am stating what was wrong with it.

YOU apparently have no issue with slavery.

I have told you numerous times I don't support it. You are of course allowed to believe of me whatever you choose.

I think that people had a problem with how slaves were treated, not the fact that they had a roof over their head, 3 meals a day everyday and were provided for and cared for. There were slaves who were very well taken care of and did not want to leave their masters after slavery was abolished.

You did dodge my question though: Was Paul wrong for sending Onesimus back to Philemon?

 

[artybloke]

Choose for yourself what you will believe. Claim that God Himself came to you and spoke against His written word.

I am persuaded by God's word, not yours, not mans.

You can't prove to me that I haven't recieved a Word from God Himself. And He didn't speak against the written word: He just told me the right way to interpret it. He said to me, "Those creationists are reading the Bible all wrong! I never meant for it to be interpreted as a literal scientific account! It's meant to be a story!"