The Evolution of Racial Differences

[Saturn]

Hi,

Here is the book "Race: The Reality of Human Differences," by Vincent Sarich and Frank Miele, 2004:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0813340861/qid%3D1092096957/sr%3Dka-1/ref%3Dpd%5Fka%5F1/103-4843252-3260631

Are these differences the result of micro-evolution or direct divine intervention?

Thanks.

 

[Jet Black]

they are the result of differences in the concentrations and presence of alleles in the various populations - aka evolution. why you mentioned "micro"evolution is beyond me.

 

[Saturn]

I'm having a hard time getting the link to show up, Christianforums keeps on removing the .php part that is required in the complete link.

 

[Alchemist]

Hi,

Here are some excerpts from "Race: The Reality of Human Differences," by Vincent Sarich and Frank Miele, 2004: http://www.physicsforums.com/t38847 Are these differences the result of micro-evolution or direct divine intervention?

Thanks.

Hi Saturn,

I couldn't view the website, so I haven't read it. But as for race, I think that it is a result of evolution. As Jet Black points out, micro-evolution is a bit of a misnomer: there is absolutely no difference between macro- and micro- evolution (they are just arbitrary terms used by anti-evolutionistic creationists), so I think 'evolution' will do .

As for divine intervention, I see little reason why God would make one race genetically superior to another; He loves all, no matter what race they are.

Peace,
Alchemist

 

[Saturn]

they are the result of differences in the concentrations and presence of alleles in the various populations - aka evolution. why you mentioned "micro"evolution is beyond me.

Micro, or gradual evolution.

 

[Jet Black]

Micro, or gradual evolution.

why not just call it evolution in the first place?

 

[Saturn]

why not just call it evolution in the first place?

To differentiate between small gene frequency shifting, which Christians can accept, from large scale shifting that changes one species into another.

 

[Saturn]

Hi Saturn,

I couldn't view the website, so I haven't read it.

I changed the link just now to the Amazon.com book listing.

 

[Alchemist]

I changed the link just now to the Amazon.com book listing.

Thanks .

To differentiate between small gene frequency shifting, which Christians can accept, from large scale shifting that changes one species into another.

I must really get some sleep now, but I will ask this anyway. You are saying that Christians cannot accept large-scale genetic changes? I know that I am alone in saying that I, as a Christian, can, and do, accept speciation.

 

[Saturn]

Thanks .



I must really get some sleep now, but I will ask this anyway. You are saying that Christians cannot accept large-scale genetic changes? I know that I am alone in saying that I, as a Christian, can, and do, accept speciation.

I think Christians are willing to accept small gene frequency changes, such as changes in skin color, immunity to disease, intelligence, behavior, etc. But they probably would not believe in such a large a change that chimps turned into humans.

 

[Jet Black]

I think Christians are willing to accept small gene frequency changes, such as changes in skin color, immunity to disease, intelligence, behavior, etc. But they probably would not believe in such a large a change that chimps turned into humans.

absolutely, but then nobody thinks that a large change such as chimps turning into humans would happen, though there are a disturbing number of people who think that people think that such a large change would happen. What people actually think (based on the evidence you see) is that an accumulation of small changes over many generations result in a species that looks like a chimp perhaps diversifying into a species that we know as humans. Both Christians and non-christians think this.

 

[Jet Black]

To differentiate between small gene frequency shifting, which Christians can accept, from large scale shifting that changes one species into another.

Assuming you mean large scale shifting by an accumulation of small shifts, and also add in there mutations which also affect reproductive success Christians can accept both of these things, so why the mention?

 

[GoSeminoles!]

Hi,

Here is the book "Race: The Reality of Human Differences," by Vincent Sarich and Frank Miele, 2004:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0813340861/qid%3D1092096957/sr%3Dka-1/ref%3Dpd%5Fka%5F1/103-4843252-3260631

Are these differences the result of micro-evolution or direct divine intervention?

Thanks.

Many anthropologists and human geneticists say the entire concept of "race" is nonsense. There is simply variation in the human species. Not only that, but the amount of variation is far less than in other primates.

 

[JohnR7]

Are these differences the result of micro-evolution or direct divine intervention?

There can be no question about China and Japan, they just do not inner marry. They are very traditional, but what about everyone else? If you took someone from China, any of the South Pacific islands, Alaska, Hawaii, Mexico, native america and so forth, I really do not think you would be able to tell them apart. Also India is pretty much a mix of all the different "races". Then if you look at the middle east you wonder: what race are they?

There does seem to be some very white people from northern europe, some very black people from South Africa and some very yellow people from China, but what about everyone else? The everyone else makes up well over half of the worlds population. Where quite a bit of innermarriage has gone on to the point where you could not really identify them as any one individual race.

So you have a small group of people from south africa, a small group of people from northern europe, but what about everyone else? Where do you classify people from the middle east?

 

[Randall McNally]

There can be no question about China and Japan, they just do not inner marry.

That is a cultural practice. It probably has little basis in genetic differences, racial or otherwise.

 

[JohnR7]

That is a cultural practice. It probably has little basis in genetic differences, racial or otherwise.

In China they refer to it as their traditions. There is a wide variety of cultures in China.

 

[larry lunchpail]

whats the equivilent of race in the rest of the animal kingdom? breeds? whats the equivelent of breeds in humans? anyone know? ive always wondered... well for a week or so

 

[Randall McNally]

whats the equivilent of race in the rest of the animal kingdom? breeds? whats the equivelent of breeds in humans? anyone know? ive always wondered... well for a week or so

Well, races are, vaguely, collections of traits that are said to appear together with high frequency, and which are associated with particular geographical regions. So I suppose breed would be a roughly equivalent term.

 

[trunks2k]

I think Christians are willing to accept small gene frequency changes, such as changes in skin color, immunity to disease, intelligence, behavior, etc. But they probably would not believe in such a large a change that chimps turned into humans.

Those "small gene frequency changes" accumulate and you get other species. This is why Jet Black opposes you differentiating between "micro" and "macro" evolution. One is nothing more than the sum total of the other.

BTW - humans did not evolve from chimps.

 

[larry lunchpail]

Many anthropologists and human geneticists say the entire concept of "race" is nonsense. There is simply variation in the human species. Not only that, but the amount of variation is far less than in other primates.

whats nonsense about it, i dont understand? its just a name given to the differences, however small they are. small things shouldnt get names? and if breeds are the same as races only more pronounced then are breeds nonsense too? im confused...