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Originally Posted by Zazal
Hello Alphonsus,,,,I see a difference between yearly Passover and using the unleavened bread and the wine to remember the ordinance of the L-rd...to the whole idea of fellowship meals or love feasts when the brethren would break bread regularly from house to house.
Originally Posted by Zazal
Yes but the whole emphasis has been diverted by the RC doctrine because they use John 6 to try and insist that the bread and the wine become the body and blood of Messiah, rather than recognizing the whole thrust of what Jesus was initiating did not revolve around mysticism and beautiful ceremonial exactitude....but in knowing who we were in Him, and what He had done and achieved for us.
May the L-rd bless and encourage you my friend. Zazal[/FONT]

[FONT="]...ostensibly this is done for the sake of those that might take communion in an unworthy fashion, but in reality it again adds an element that was never there in the first place[/FONT]
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I realize this post already has been responded to, but I just had a few questions. I take issue with this part of what you said. Biblicaly speaking how can we say what the elements on early worship were? The most we get is that the believers came together and broke bread, which leads into what you said about
Hello Alphonsus,,,,I see a difference between yearly Passover and using the unleavened bread and the wine to remember the ordinance of the L-rd...to the whole idea of fellowship meals or love feasts when the brethren would break bread regularly from house to house.
Originally Posted by Zazal

[FONT="]...if you love the L-rd and recognise the Body you participate, making sure you have no unconfessed sin...[/FONT]
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[FONT="]This was true however during the writing of the New Testament the Apostles were still alive, and if you followed their teaching you were numbered among the believers. However after they died you began to see divisions occurring within the Church, and some of these divisions (ie gnosticism, arianism, etc.) clearly perverted the nature of the Faith, and were indeed sinful. Other schisms occurred later (RC/E. Orthodox, RC/Protestant, Protestant/Protestant) to the point where the understanding of the body of the Lord and the understanding of confessing your sins means different things to different elements, then yes I would say it would be good to protect individuals from eating and drinking judgment upon themselves. Most of the churches that have such rules about receiving Communion do so because within their faith tradition, because it is the Body and Blood of Christ, and Paul was quite serious about improperly receiving. Assume for a second you had discerned incorrectly in discerning, and you actually were receiving the physical Body and Blood, even though you had not properly discerned it? 1 Cor 11:29 is something those of us who believe in the Real Presence take quite seriously. It is not to exclude others, although that is the sad side effect of division within the Church, however the safety of the souls of our brethren who don't agree with us is more important than others feeling excluded. We don't wish to see further division within the Church, but this is a sad reminder of the divisions we have. [/FONT]
Yes but the whole emphasis has been diverted by the RC doctrine because they use John 6 to try and insist that the bread and the wine become the body and blood of Messiah, rather than recognizing the whole thrust of what Jesus was initiating did not revolve around mysticism and beautiful ceremonial exactitude....but in knowing who we were in Him, and what He had done and achieved for us.
May the L-rd bless and encourage you my friend. Zazal[/FONT]
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