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The Epoch Times

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by HARK!, Nov 28, 2020.

  1. HARK!

    HARK! Red Moderator of the Year Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    I recently received a free copy in my mailbox, along with an envelope to subscribe. I try to avoid news sources as much as possible; as they tend to slant the truth. However, the front page headline looked interesting; so I decided that I would take a look at the paper, before I used it to light my fireplace.

    Here is an excerpt from that article:

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    The number of homeless people in Pueblo, Colo., has increased since 2014 when retail marijuana was legalized in the state. (Charlotte Cuthbertson/The Epoch Times)

    US Features
    The True Cost of Marijuana: A Colorado Town That Went All-In
    By Charlotte Cuthbertson
    October 27, 2020 Updated: October 30, 2020
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    PUEBLO, Colo.—It’s a common story across America: A city loses its main employer, usually a manufacturing company with well-paying, blue-collar jobs (that often go to China). The city’s economy crumbles, and those who can move out, do.

    Decades later, and looking peeling-paint tired, the city hasn’t managed to recover, but drugs have found a permanent home.

    The True Cost of Marijuana: A Colorado Town That Went All-In


    This sparked my interest; but the paper sits here in my living room, unread. It came to my attention that The Epoch Times is produced by a Chinese religious cult; and that Conservatives are their target audience. This just very recently came to my attention; and today I looked down next to my fireplace, only to realize that I had been targeted myself.

    Here is what I have on the subject:

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    The Epoch Times and Shen Yun
    Main articles: The Epoch Times and Shen Yun
    The performance arts group Shen Yun and the media organization The Epoch Times are the major outreach organizations of Falun Gong.[10] Both promote the spiritual and political teachings of Falun Gong.[23][24][25] They and a variety of other organizations such as New Tang Dynasty Television (NTD) operate as extensions of Falun Gong. These extensions promote the new religious movement and its teachings. In the case of The Epoch Times, they also promote conspiracy theories and far-right politics in both Europe and the United States. Particularly during the 2016 United States presidential election, The Epoch Times has been promoting conspiracy theories and extreme right-wing political views.[21]

    According to a 2020 report by the Los Angeles magazine:

    Both Shen Yun and Epoch Times are funded and operated by members of Falun Gong, a controversial spiritual group that was banned by China's government in 1999. [...] Falun Gong melds traditional Taoist principles with occasionally bizarre pronouncements from its Chinese-born founder and leader, Li Hongzhi. Among other pronouncements, Li has claimed that aliens started invading human minds in the beginning of the 20th century, leading to mass corruption and the invention of computers. He has also denounced feminism and homosexuality and claimed he can walk through walls and levitate. But the central tenet of the group’s wide-ranging belief system is its fierce opposition to communism.

    In 2000, Li founded Epoch Times to disseminate Falun Gong talking points to American readers. Six years later he launched Shen Yun as another vehicle to promote his teachings to mainstream Western audiences. Over the years Shen Yun and Epoch Times, while nominally separate organizations, have operated in tandem in Falun Gong's ongoing PR campaign against the Chinese government, taking directions from Li.

    Despite its conservative agenda, Epoch Times took pains until recently to avoid wading into partisan U.S. politics. That all changed in June 2015 after Donald Trump descended on a golden escalator to announce his presidential candidacy, proclaiming that he "beat China all the time." In Trump, Falun Gong saw more than just an ally—it saw a savior. As a former Epoch Times editor told NBC News, the group's leaders "believe that Trump was sent by heaven to destroy the communist party."[24]

    Falun Gong extensions have also been active in promoting the European alt-right.[22]

    The exact financial and structural connections between Falun Gong, Shen Yun and The Epoch Times remains unclear. According to NBC News:

    The Epoch Media Group, along with Shen Yun, a dance troupe known for its ubiquitous advertising and unsettling performances, make up the outreach effort of Falun Gong, a relatively new spiritual practice that combines ancient Chinese meditative exercises, mysticism and often ultraconservative cultural worldviews. Falun Gong’s founder has referred to Epoch Media Group as "our media," and the group’s practice heavily informs The Epoch Times' coverage, according to former employees who spoke with NBC News. The Epoch Times, digital production company NTD and the heavily advertised dance troupe Shen Yun make up the nonprofit network that Li calls "our media." Financial documents paint a complicated picture of more than a dozen technically separate organizations that appear to share missions, money and executives. Though the source of their revenue is unclear, the most recent financial records from each organization paint a picture of an overall business thriving in the Trump era.[102]

    Falun Gong - Wikipedia



    My copy will be going in the fireplace; where it can be of the most practical service.
     
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  2. Hans Blaster

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    Good for you.

    The Epoch Times has made this hard "pro-Trump" move it would seem mostly to attract subscription money from his followers. It seems a fairly cynical ploy.

    This also illustrates that the notion "the enemy of my enemy is my friend is not true". Just because Fulan Gong has been persecuted by China, doesn't mean that they aren't a dangerous cult, etc.
     
  3. NightHawkeye

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    In defense of The Epoch Times, it's worth mentioning that The Epoch Times is one of the few publications worldwide which provides unvarnished information about the communist Chinese government.

    In similar fashion, The Epoch Times provides information the mainstream media in the U.S. refuses to publish.
     
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  5. HARK!

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    What brought all of this to my attention was the YouTube video. There is a lot of reliable information on Youtube; and there is a lot of junk. This calls for discernment, and due diligence. I dug a little deeper than what I had suspected might be a hack, on Youtube, posing as a Conservative. He gained credibility with a simple Wikipedia search. Now Wiki, the organization, does have a bias. Who doesn't? I've read of censorship on Wiki. However, one thing I like about Wiki is that everyone gets to add their input, citing their sources for a balanced presentation of the reality. If you are not satisfied with the Wiki article; then maybe you should edit it, with your cited sources, in order to better reflect the balance of the truth. I look forward to reviewing your edits on the Wiki article. Please post your work here, so that we can keep an eye on it, and watch what edits are made to the article, under the scrutiny of the world.
     
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  6. MIDutch

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    The question should be, why is a Chinese media group so interested in pushing a pro-trump agenda?

    What's in it for them?
     
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  7. pgp_protector

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    And just who would vet those sources?
    Each side would say that one or the other is biased.
     
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    Let me take care of that for you. Here is the list:
     
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  9. nonaeroterraqueous

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    Because Trump seemed to be against China, as they are.
     
  10. HARK!

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    We're a hair away from a CT in the making.

    Did you watch the video? I haven't checked out all of his assertions; but he goes into quite a bit of depth on the subject.
     
  11. HARK!

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    ...and so it begins.

    I would urge you to watch the video.
     
  12. Oompa Loompa

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    Wikipedia Editors Attack China Critic 'Epoch Times' After NBC Hit Piece
     
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  13. Hans Blaster

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    Money. They saw Trump supporters as a viable source of income from subscriptions, etc. And it seems to be working for them.

    (I originally thought it was some sort of dark money op, since I mostly saw the Epoch Times pushing itself and Trump-related ideas on YouTube. I saw an article, and I wish I knew where, about their use of pro-Trump positions to get income, therefore my initial assessment was wrong.)
     
  14. HARK!

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    They’ve gone from crazy but harmless to full on crazy to fairly legit, now they’ve got borderline deceptive reporting with touches of legit and crazy on the fringes.
     
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  16. Tom 1

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    It’s not about bias tho, it’s about whether or not the authors include enough information for the reader to make their own mind up, as well as giving their own take. Good quality publications on both sides of the political spectrum manage to do this very well, like the Spectator and the New Statesman in the U.K., right/left respectively. Unfortunately most conservative news sources in the US are utter garbage, not even making an attempt to provide readers with anything other than pre-packaged, hermetically sealed opinions which are presented as ‘the truth’ but which in reality are deliberately (or perhaps accidentally if a refusal to think can be accidental) deceptive. Human Events and American Conservative aren’t bad, but they’ve still pretty shoddy in comparison to the much more professional but left leaning NYT, WAPO, TNY-er etc.
     
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  17. HARK!

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    I couldn't say. I just found out about them yesterday; although I received my free copy, I guess about a week ago.

    What you've presented is your opinion; although I'm leaning toward agreement. I don't have enough experience with their journalism to make an informed opinion.

    I do view their religious beliefs as dangerous; and I won't fund that.
     
  18. Tom 1

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    I clicked on this thread because I’d just finished reading another one of their articles, about a statement by the judge in Pennsylvania who called for a delay on certifying the election outcome. They use a similar tactic to one that Breitbart often uses, taking something that can be considered legit but then mixing in all other kinds of nonsense, presumably with the idea that it will be taken as legit by association. That’s what this article did, it outlines what the judge had to say but then appends all kinds of random nonsense in such a way that it appears to be integral to what the judge said, but isn’t.
     
  19. HARK!

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    Feel free to post examples of quotes here, with your critique; so that we can examine them.
     
  20. Tom 1

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    I’m not going to spend that much time on it, sorry, but I have other things to do. You can read the article here: Judge: Republicans Will Likely Win Pennsylvania Election Lawsuit
    To me roughly the first half seems reasonable enough, whereas the rest has little to do with anything the judge said.
     
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