The End of the World is Nigh

[serge546]

Personally if someone magically rises from the dead to tell me that there is no supernatural I'm going to be very skeptical and unless they have a very convincing explanation.


If the dead rise, I'll be back here to change my icon to "seeker" and trying to figure out if any Religions have a better explanation then materialism. (Right now, materialism seems fine though).

Note, I did not say there is no supernatural phenomena, I said "all religions are wrong". All religions can't be right but they can all be wrong.

 

[Jamin4422]

but I suspect they will, not a big issue.

But yes, it is exciting days for believers indeed.

There will be a temple, they are ready to build a temple. Every year they try to set the cornerstone and the temple mount authority chases them off. It will take then three and a half years to build the temple.

 

[Jamin4422]

Note, I did not say there is no supernatural phenomena, I said "all religions are wrong". All religions can't be right but they can all be wrong.

Yet in 3700 years no one has ever proven the Bible to be wrong in any way. Imagine that. Yet evolutionists are constantly proven to be wrong and you keep supporting them. You think it is good science when they are shown to be wrong. That is evidence to you that somehow science works.

 

[CabVet]

Yet in 3700 years no one has ever proven the Bible to be wrong in any way. Imagine that. Yet evolutionists are constantly proven to be wrong and you keep supporting them. You think it is good science when they are shown to be wrong. That is evidence to you that somehow science works.

Nobody proved it to be right either.

 

[Jamin4422]

Nobody proved it to be right either.

There are many, many, many things in the Bible that have been proven to be right. There is NOTHING that has ever been proven to be wrong. I can understand if you ONLY accept what can be proven to be true. Because of course you only have human faith and you do not have God's faith in you. It takes the Faith of God working in us for us to believe. The faith of God is a gift and the faith of God is also a fruit. So if you do not have the faith of God in you, then I would only expect you to be able to believe and function based on human faith and what we are able to do apart from God. Cars do not run without gas and people can not function right without God.

 

[Jamin4422]

Note, I did not say there is no supernatural phenomena, I said "all religions are wrong". All religions can't be right but they can all be wrong.

So why Christian? Why are you not on a Muslim board trying to convert them to Evolutionary theory?

 

[CabVet]

There are many, many, many things in the Bible that have been proven to be right.

Not ONE of those things is relevant to religion. There are as many historical accuracies in the Bible as there are in Homer's Iliad and the Qur'an. Nobody "proved" those wrong either.

 

[Rajni]

The funny thing is, despite what some Christians say, we should know the general time when our Savior returns because He tells us. He says all these wars, famine, pestilence, earthquakes, death, etc. is the beginning of the end, not the end. Christ even says that people will say the end is here, and that people would say He was coming, or that He is here or there. And, He says THOSE PEOPLE ARE LIARS!!! Still, some people trust the preachers more than Christ I guess.

However, there has been famine, pestilence, earthquakes, death, etc. since day one, so I'm not sure those things are necessarily the best gauge as to how close to the "end" we are.

Didn't Jesus say that the second coming will occur during the generation of his disciples?

That is one way of interpreting what he allegedly said on the subject, yes.

Mark 13:30
I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

Matthew 16:28
I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

This.

 

[CabVet]

So why Christian? Why are you not on a Muslim board trying to convert them to Evolutionary theory?

Because in case you did not know, Muslims are a bit less tolerant of "infidels" and "heretics" as Christians are, so they do not allow this type of discussion in their midst. But if a lot of Christians had it their way, they would be just as intolerant.

 

[1234321]

However, there has been famine, pestilence, earthquakes, death, etc. since day one, so I'm not sure those things are necessarily the best gauge as to how close to the "end" we are.

That is one way of interpreting what he allegedly said on the subject, yes.

This.

They aren't the "best gauge" as to qualify the end: I never said that. I said that Christ said these things would mark the beginning of the end. And, of course there have been earthquakes, death, famine, etc. since the beginning. However, the context (and location) is a time-period after Christ, specifically after Christ spoke this to His disciples. Therefore, that is where the contextual time line begins. And, that is the beginning, not the end.

The fact is Daniel 11-12, Revelation 6-19, Matthew 24, and a many of other prophetic books give detailed events that will befall the earth before Christ returns, and the end occurs. As I have said so many times before, the end is event dependent, and time independent. There could be a 10-year earthquake swam around the world, but until the daily sacrifice is [brought back, and then] taken away, and until the Man of Perdition sets up the Abomination that Causes Desolation (Daniel 11:31-38) the end is not here. Christians were never meant to be in the dark about His coming, otherwise time would not be wasted by Christ, and so many prophets outlining detailed events leading to His coming.

 

[toLiJC]

it is sure that the end of the reign of (the) "darkness" will occur very soon, because in each eternity is so that the "darkness" can reign only in the first 5-6 millennia of the eternity, as it is written:

Revelation 17:10 "And there are seven kings(ie seven times): five are fallen(ie counted from the seventh day onward(-s), five millennia will pass), and one is(ie and the end of the appearance/reign of (the) "darkness" will occur in the sixth millennium), and the other is not yet come(ie and the time during which the "darkness" will reign in the sixth millennium has not yet occurred); and when he cometh, he must continue a short space."

Blessings

 

[Jamin4422]

Not ONE of those things is relevant to religion.

They are relevant to show that the Bible is accurate to the best of mans ability to be able to verify the word of God. Time and time again Science has shown us that the Bible is true. I believe it is VERY relevant that science is able to confirm the accuracy of the Bible. The vast majority of people, almost 90% believe that it is relevant. So your belief that the Bible is not relevant is a very dangerous position to take. You can ignore the warning that the Bible give you, but that just means you have to deal with the consequences of your decision.

 

[Jamin4422]

Not ONE of those things is relevant to religion. There are as many historical accuracies in the Bible as there are in Homer's Iliad and the Qur'an. Nobody "proved" those wrong either.

Homer can not even hold a candle to the Bible. Homer can not even settle the issue of Helen. Did she run off with her boyfriend or was she kidnapped. To this day we do not know the answer. The Bible is NOT a book of questions, the Bible is a book of answers and solutions. I looked everywhere for answers and did not find answers until I read the Bible. The Bible can answer questions that you can not answer for me. Science let me down and science failed me. But God did not fail me. God had solutions and answers. So whatever it is you think your selling I am not interested. The way to destruction is a very easy road to travel. Can you offer me evidence that you are not on the road to destruction? Can you show me that what your trying to promote and sell in the end does not result in annihilation. Because even you admit that in the end you are destroyed and end up with nothing. Yet the Bible promises eternal life. The Bible is filled with promises. What does science offer us in the end? They offer us nothing. In the end with science we end up with nothing. At best they help us to put off the inevitable for just a brief moment in time.

 

[CabVet]

How about you provide evidence for all the miracles described in the Bible, you know, stuff that really matters, not silly historical stuff.

 

[Jamin4422]

How about you provide evidence for all the miracles described in the Bible, you know, stuff that really matters, not silly historical stuff.

Do you need a miracle? I had a good friend die because he did not believe miracles were for today. The problem with miracles is everything is restored to normal. Usually there is not even any scar tissue. So it is very difficult to show that there was ever a need for a miracle. Although a friend of ours just recovered from stage 4 cancer and she was able to see her three daughters graduate from college. You can deny that was a miracle from God, but I will never deny God or the miracles that he does in the lives of the people that love Him. Miracles can be very special and no infidel could ever come along and take that away from us.

 

[Buy Bologna]

Ever since the beginning of religion it's been the end of times.

As far as famine, pestilence and so forth that the bible claims to have predicted. Those things have always been here.

As a matter of fact, due to science and modern medicine people are living longer lives. Come to think of it, there are over 7 billion people on the planet right now.

The bible is so full of fail and embarrassingly wrong.

 

[dad]

Ever since the beginning of religion it's been the end of times.

As far as famine, pestilence and so forth that the bible claims to have predicted. Those things have always been here.

As a matter of fact, due to science and modern medicine people are living longer lives. Come to think of it, there are over 7 billion people on the planet right now.

The bible is so full of fail and embarrassingly wrong.

Those that actually listen and read know that the actual events of the very end could not have started yet. At best we can know the stage is set.

 

[DaneaFL]

No. The Bible clearly states that not even Jesus knows when the world will end:

"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Mark 13:32

I often hear atheists boast that they know more about the Bible that Christians do - but judging by the quotes above, I'm starting to think they're just making that up.

Did you even read what you wrote to yourself? I think you are missing something very obvious.

Read these verses very carefully together:

"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened...
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Doesn't this clearly say "I will definitely come back to earth in the next 60 years or so, but only God knows exactly when."

If I am a person who believes in the infallibility of the literal scriptures how else am I supposed to interpret these verses?

 

[AV1611VET]

Did you even read what you wrote to yourself? I think you are missing something very obvious.

Read these verses very carefully together:

"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened...
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Doesn't this clearly say "I will definitely come back to earth in the next 60 years or so, but only God knows exactly when."

If I am a person who believes in the infallibility of the literal scriptures how else am I supposed to interpret these verses?

What does He mean by 'this generation'?

Would it have helped if He would have said, "I won't come back until all comes to pass in the generation I just described"?

 

[Rajni]

They aren't the "best gauge" as to qualify the end: I never said that. I said that Christ said these things would mark the beginning of the end. And, of course there have been earthquakes, death, famine, etc. since the beginning. However, the context (and location) is a time-period after Christ, specifically after Christ spoke this to His disciples. Therefore, that is where the contextual time line begins. And, that is the beginning, not the end.

[FONT=verdana,sans-serif]The end or the beginning of the end -- it's still part of the end! [/FONT]

The fact is Daniel 11-12, Revelation 6-19, Matthew 24, and a many of other prophetic books give detailed events that will befall the earth before Christ returns, and the end occurs. As I have said so many times before, the end is event dependent, and time independent. There could be a 10-year earthquake swam around the world, but until the daily sacrifice is [brought back, and then] taken away, and until the Man of Perdition sets up the Abomination that Causes Desolation (Daniel 11:31-38) the end is not here. Christians were never meant to be in the dark about His coming, otherwise time would not be wasted by Christ, and so many prophets outlining detailed events leading to His coming.

[FONT=verdana,sans-serif]Yet it seems they're just as much in the dark as anyone; there appears to have been an awful lot of failed predictions coming from the very group that's supposed to not be in the dark about these things.

Also -- for those who say Jesus is God -- how can an omnipresent deity "return" when He's already here?[/FONT]

What does He mean by 'this generation'?

Would it have helped if He would have said, "I won't come back until all comes to pass in the generation I just described"?

Reading it in a direct, literal way, it seems very clear that "this" generation means the one to which he was speaking.