The End of the World is Nigh

[AV1611VET]

Reading it in a direct, literal way, it seems very clear that "this" generation means the one to which he was speaking.

I agree ... and He was speaking of the final generation in the dispensation to come (the dispensation of Grace).

To believe all those prophecies were fulfilled in the current generation is called Preterism.

 

[Davian]

I agree ... and He was speaking of the final generation in the dispensation to come (the dispensation of Grace).

To believe all those prophecies were fulfilled in the current generation is called Preterism.

What do you call the eschatological approach where you just make it up as you go along?

 

[AV1611VET]

What do you call the eschatological approach where you just make it up as you go along?

Giving your opinion.

 

[Davian]

Giving your opinion.

That applies to religious claims in general. I was hoping that you had a catchy name for it. I'll keep looking.

 

[1234321]

I agree ... and He was speaking of the final generation in the dispensation to come (the dispensation of Grace).

To believe all those prophecies were fulfilled in the current generation is called Preterism.

What I don't understand is if everything has been fulfilled (because I hope we can all agree that when Christ comes, He brings the Kingdom with Him,) then why is there still melancholia, destitution, hunger, famine, death? After all, He did promise that every tear would be wiped away, and weeping would be replaced with laughter.

Where is Christ if everything has been fulfilled?

Where is the New Heaven and New Earth?

Where is, even, the Kingdom?

Christ said that after all of the things He said would happen, the end would come, and He also (Matt 24:3.)

 

[AV1611VET]

What I don't understand is if everything has been fulfilled (because I hope we can all agree that when Christ comes, He brings the Kingdom with Him,) then why is there still melancholia, destitution, hunger, famine, death? After all, He did promise that every tear would be wiped away, and weeping would be replaced with sadness.

Where is Christ if everything has been fulfilled?

Where is the New Heaven and New Earth?

Where is, even, the Kingdom?

Christ said that after all of the things He said would happen, the end would come, and He also (Matt 24:3.)

Excellent questions!

That's why I'm not a preterist!

 

[DaneaFL]

What does He mean by 'this generation'?

Would it have helped if He would have said, "I won't come back until all comes to pass in the generation I just described"?

"this generation" means.... "this generation."

What, are we not taking the Bible literally when it clearly indicates that it should be? Jesus was not talking metaphorically or in one of his parables.

This was a direct, "verily I say unto you", type of conversation.

But if we are going to start questioning the literal authority of scripture then I have a question for you AV:

What does He mean by "there went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah."

Obviously since that's not possible it must be a metaphor right? Maybe it's God's way of telling us that we should take care of the planet or something?

You should probably change your name now since you aren't a KJV Literalist.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

"this generation" means.... "this generation."

I think I see what he's saying: 'this generation' could mean "this generation we have now", or "this generation that I was just talking about".

"At the end of the world, X, Y, and Z will happen. The people living at the time, that generation there, once events X, Y, and Z happen, that generation won't pass before the second coming"

Or something like that.

It's grammatically dodgy ('that' is more appropriate than 'this'), and I see no contextual clues to indicate this is what Jesus meant, but I think that's what AV is alluding to.

EDIT: Given post #61, maybe not!

 

[toLiJC]

"this generation" means.... "this generation."

it is mostly about the generation of (the) unrighteous/bad clerics e.g. as the pharisees/scribes were in those times

Blessings

 

[DaneaFL]

I think I see what he's saying: 'this generation' could mean "this generation we have now", or "this generation that I was just talking about".

"At the end of the world, X, Y, and Z will happen. The people living at the time, that generation there, once events X, Y, and Z happen, that generation won't pass before the second coming"

Or something like that.

It's grammatically dodgy ('that' is more appropriate than 'this'), and I see no contextual clues to indicate this is what Jesus meant, but I think that's what AV is alluding to.

EDIT: Given post #61, maybe not!

If that's what Jesus meant then it doesn't even make sense why he would say it.

Of course the generation at that time won't pass away during the time when that stuff during their generation happens.

What does that even mean? he's saying that the people living at that time won't all die until those things happen? Well of course....

 

[Wiccan_Child]

If that's what Jesus meant then it doesn't even make sense why he would say it.

Of course the generation at that time won't pass away during the time when that stuff during their generation happens.

What does that even mean? he's saying that the people living at that time won't all die until those things happen? Well of course....

I think he's saying that a set of events will happen, and then another, final event will happen. That final event will happen within the lifetimes of those who were alive during the first set of events. So if we, now, saw those events, we'd know that, within a single generation, the final event would occur.

 

[Gracchus]

If the world doesn't end in December, 2012, the true believers will have an excuse. They always do. Or at least they always have.

 

[1234321]

If the world doesn't end in December, 2012, the true believers will have an excuse. They always do. Or at least they always have.

Many "true" believers do not believe the end of the world is time/date-dependent - the events determine the time of the end (not the dates.) It is a "If A happens, then B will befall you" situation.

There are hundreds of thousands of believers that facepalm whenever a minister becomes the mouthpiece of the Church because one, two, or a dozen megachurch preachers do not speak for individual believers. I would ask that you do not blanket all believers into the categorical Christian "As Seen On TV."

Also, December 2012 is the new Y2K. If anything happens, it still doesn't change the fact that certain events must happen before the end happens.

 

[Gracchus]

Many "true" believers do not believe the end of the world is time/date-dependent - the events determine the time of the end (not the dates.) It is a "If A happens, then B will befall you" situation.

The "true believers" I was referring to were those who think that the world is going to end in December.

There are hundreds of thousands of believers that facepalm whenever a minister becomes the mouthpiece of the Church because one, two, or a dozen megachurch preachers do not speak for individual believers.

I am well aware that "Christians" have been arguing, fighting, killing, and cursing each other over "points of doctrine" for centuries. I would not be surprised to find one day that their are more "Christian" doctrines than their are "Christians" because no one sect could possibly contain all the nonsense, that one "Christian" believes.

I would ask that you do not blanket all believers into the categorical Christian "As Seen On TV."

"Christians" believe all sorts of things. They even argue about who is or is not a "Christian". About the only thing they all have in common is that they all call themselves "Christian" even though they disagree about who else is "Christian".

Also, December 2012 is the new Y2K. If anything happens, it still doesn't change the fact that certain events must happen before the end happens.

One of the other things "Christians" disagree about is what "certain events" must happen. They can't even agree on what's real, much less on their wish fulfilling fantasies, their doctrines, their dogmas, or their favorite tipples.

 

[AV1611VET]

One of the other things "Christians" disagree about is what "certain events" must happen. They can't even agree on what's real, much less on their wish fulfilling fantasies, their doctrines, their dogmas, or their favorite tipples.

Keeps us from being accused of 'not thinking outside the box,' doesn't it?

 

[1234321]

Keeps us from being accused of 'not thinking outside the box,' doesn't it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Either way, we get it.

If we quote the Bible or basic doctrine, then we're "brainwashed sheep."

If we make suppositions and educated guesses, then we're "backwater."

It's not what we say that matters to them ... it's what we are.

 

[Illuminaughty]

Maynard uttered a prophecy regarding these last days:

Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by fault lines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded ....

'Cause I'm praying for mayhem;
I'm praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mom, please, flush it all away.
I wanna see it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.

Time to bring it down again.
Don't just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend.

I wanna see it come down.
Bring it down.
Suck it down.
Flush it down.

 

[AndrewRyan]

So your telling me that jesus, who is also god( the all knowing creator, doesn't know when the world will end? that doesn't make sense.

 

[DaneaFL]

So your telling me that jesus, who is also god( the all knowing creator, doesn't know when the world will end? that doesn't make sense.

I think God obviously knows... just not Jesus... since Jesus isn't God. Well, he's kinda God... he's part of the trinity... He's the same essence as God but not the same substance as God... he's the.... oh I don't know... it's all very confusing.