The End as was the Beginning

[ananda]

Okay, so like Antiochus, and NERO?

No, I believe that the Anti-Messiah must be a spiritual figure or spiritual authority, but I am not allowed to name him directly. I'm sure you can imagine who I am referring to, though.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

No, I believe that the Anti-Messiah must be a spiritual figure or spiritual authority, but I am not allowed to name him directly. I'm sure you can imagine who I am referring to, though.

Is it me?

It's me isn't it!

Dang, I just knew it was me!

 

[ananda]

Is it me?

It's me isn't it!

Dang, I just knew it was me!

 

[Lulav]

Is it me?

It's me isn't it!

Dang, I just knew it was me!

You sound like Robert on Everybody loves Raymond!

 

[ContraMundum]

My opinion- you always have to be careful not to read too much into symbols.

 

[mercy1061]

Now at that time Rachel had already been dead for sometime. Yet Jacob mentions her. Perhaps he was using 'mother' in a generic sense of all the mothers of his children? Jacob recognizes this is representative of

1. the sun (Jacob)
2. the moon, (Mothers)
3. eleven stars (Josephs eleven brothers)

Since the earth has only one sun and moon; then I think it is safe to presume that Jacob question was refering to himself and Jospeh's mother Rachel, Jacob says "your mother". A good observation on your part, noting that Jospeh's mother has been dead sometime. Yet how was Joseph's mother buried? Was rachel buried with her husband; which was customary for their ancestors? After all, Abraham was buried with Sarah, Isaac was buried with Rebekah, Jacob was buried with Leah?

So the necessity of Jospeh's dream; Joseph is Jacob's favorite son; yet his mother is regarded as the moon, which orbits around the earth; while "mother" earth orbits around the sun. The moon is not one with the earth; as the planets get closer to the sun, (mercury and venus) they have no moon or satellite.

We know that Joseph brothers bowed down to him because they had wronged him; they sold him into slavery. Maybe Joseph knows that his father wronged him, when he chose him as the favorite son; because of the way he treated his mother's burial arrangements. Jacob did not bury Rachel with his ancestors as he did with Leah.

Gen 37
10 When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, “What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?”

Gen 35
19 So Rachel died and was buried on the way to Efrat (that is, Beit-Lechem). 20 Ya‘akov set up a standing-stone on her grave; it is the standing-stone of Rachel’s grave to this day.

 

[mercy1061]

The end is told from the beginning, there is no beginning or end in space yet time is measured because of the earth limited travel distance or orbit around the sun. So we speak of beginning and end with respect to the Earth orbit around the sun. It was inside the beginning God created heavens and the earth. Yet genesis makes no mention about the other planets thus the words in the beginning must deal with earth travel distance or orbit around the sun. Of course mercury and venus are in the earth orbit.

 

[Lulav]

Just noticed this, I thought at quick glance the stars were equally divided, perhaps it was that big blue equal sign or the fact that this picture is on an angle, but I just looked again and even concentrating on this you have to count to make sure.

The top half of the 'e' has SIX stars and the bottom half has FIVE stars and there is one between the dashes of the equal sign.

Looked at another way there is

Four, two, one, one, four ,

They really aren't distributed equally. There are two single stars that if deducted from 12 would mean there would be ten.

Just musing before coffee.


I found one that is facing forward.

This is the EURO sign, the sign for the EU's money. The twelve stars here represent the twelve countries currencies it has replaced. I have not been able to find out how this coincides with the twelve stars on the flag which was designed quite some time ago.

And now I notice there are only two stars that are touching the E in two places instead of one like the other 10.

Strange, this one I found has only 10

And this one where they don't
have to be attached is odd as well

It looks like a 'halo' of ten star, slanting to the left with two stars that are not part of that 'orbit', the one within the 'e' on the topside of the = and there is one that is all the way outside on the bottom right.

 

[Lulav]

The end is told from the beginning, there is no beginning or end in space yet time is measured because of the earth limited travel distance or orbit around the sun. So we speak of beginning and end with respect to the Earth orbit around the sun. It was inside the beginning God created heavens and the earth. Yet genesis makes no mention about the other planets thus the words in the beginning must deal with earth travel distance or orbit around the sun. Of course mercury and venus are in the earth orbit.

All of creation is mentioned in the very first verse of the Genesis.

In the beginning G-d created the Heavens and the earth.

Heavens is everything outside the earth, the planets, the moon, our star the sun and all other 'heavenly bodies'.

HaShem said, through Isaiah

I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.

 

[mercy1061]

All of creation is mentioned in the very first verse of the Genesis.

In the beginning G-d created the Heavens and the earth.

Heavens is everything outside the earth, the planets, the moon, our star the sun and all other 'heavenly bodies'.

HaShem said, through Isaiah

I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.

Since i live on earth i am not in heaven, earth is a planet much like mercury and venus are planets. Therefore if i lived on another planet i would not be in outer space or heaven.

 

[Lulav]

The bible was written for us on planet earth so everything else is in the heavens. I'm not sure if I am not understanding you or you are not understanding me, or I'm just having a 'senior moment'?