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I was just over in the Origins Theology forum and made this post.
I didn't discuss this there as the topic was the tower of babel and I didn't want to take it too far off track. But in doing some research for pictures of those I posted I noticed something I thought we could talk about reasonably here. First some verses.
From the wisest man who ever lived, the wisdom of Solomon
First from Genesis 37 (the Beginning)
1 Jacob lived in the land where his father had stayed, the land of Canaan. 2 This is the account of Jacob. Joseph, a young man of seventeen, was tending the flocks with his brothers, the sons of Bilhah and the sons of Zilpah, his father's wives, and he brought their father a bad report about them. 3 Now Israel loved Joseph more than any of his other sons, because he had been born to him in his old age; and he made a richly ornamented robe for him. 4 When his brothers saw that their father loved him more than any of them, they hated him and could not speak a kind word to him. 5 Joseph had a dream, and when he told it to his brothers, they hated him all the more. 6 He said to them, "Listen to this dream I had: 7 We were binding sheaves of grain out in the field when suddenly my sheaf rose and stood upright, while your sheaves gathered around mine and bowed down to it." 8 His brothers said to him, "Do you intend to reign over us? Will you actually rule us?" And they hated him all the more because of his dream and what he had said. 9 Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. "Listen," he said, "I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me." 10 When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, "What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?" 11 His brothers were jealous of him, but his father kept the matter in mind.
EU flag
Now at that time Rachel had already been dead for sometime. Yet Jacob mentions her. Perhaps he was using 'mother' in a generic sense of all the mothers of his children? Jacob recognizes this is representative of
1. the sun (Jacob)
2. the moon, (Mothers)
3. eleven stars (Josephs eleven brothers)
And now from Revelation 12
This woman is clothed with the Sun (Jacob) and the moon is at her feet (now this is actually played out in the heavens but for now the moon represents the women who gave birth to Israel. And Israel is represented by the crown she wears, which has twelve stars and represents her (Israel's ) 12 male children.
Now take a look at the new Euro
THE EURO BANKNOTES are to be given a redesign to include the image of the Greek mythological figure of Europa, the ECB has confirmed.
ECB president Mario Draghi this afternoon confirmed that the banknotes would be given an overhaul, beginning with the €5 note, of which the new notes will begin circulation in May 2013. The new design will include Europa’s likeness in their watermarks and in the hologram that appears down the side of the notes
New €5 Euro Banknote from Second Series - YouTube
Notice in the middle the symbol for the EU, TWELVE STARS and with the hologram you have 'Europa' the woman on the beast of Zeus, both looking towards the twelve stars.
Here is the pic of the statue of 'Europa' riding the beast, Zeus I posted in the other thread in case you didn't see it.
Notice how she is sitting, and how there is a 'Cherub' whispering in her ear and the bull seems to be riding over the sea (notice the dolphins which are found in the Mediterranean as well as many other waters around the world)
So what do you think this all means?
Daniel:
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
I didn't discuss this there as the topic was the tower of babel and I didn't want to take it too far off track. But in doing some research for pictures of those I posted I noticed something I thought we could talk about reasonably here. First some verses.
From the wisest man who ever lived, the wisdom of Solomon
And Isaiah wrote of the L-RD saying:
And from the beloved prophet Daniel 12:
We are told about the beginning of nations in Chapter 10 of Genesis and in the story of the tower of Babel. This was the beginning of nations because the people disobeyed the commandment to disperse and spread across the earth and instead stayed together and Nimrod lead them into rebellion against G-d. So he had to divide them first by language, and then by land.
First from Genesis 37 (the Beginning)
1 Jacob lived in the land where his father had stayed, the land of Canaan. 2 This is the account of Jacob. Joseph, a young man of seventeen, was tending the flocks with his brothers, the sons of Bilhah and the sons of Zilpah, his father's wives, and he brought their father a bad report about them. 3 Now Israel loved Joseph more than any of his other sons, because he had been born to him in his old age; and he made a richly ornamented robe for him. 4 When his brothers saw that their father loved him more than any of them, they hated him and could not speak a kind word to him. 5 Joseph had a dream, and when he told it to his brothers, they hated him all the more. 6 He said to them, "Listen to this dream I had: 7 We were binding sheaves of grain out in the field when suddenly my sheaf rose and stood upright, while your sheaves gathered around mine and bowed down to it." 8 His brothers said to him, "Do you intend to reign over us? Will you actually rule us?" And they hated him all the more because of his dream and what he had said. 9 Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. "Listen," he said, "I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me." 10 When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, "What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?" 11 His brothers were jealous of him, but his father kept the matter in mind.
Now at that time Rachel had already been dead for sometime. Yet Jacob mentions her. Perhaps he was using 'mother' in a generic sense of all the mothers of his children? Jacob recognizes this is representative of
1. the sun (Jacob)
2. the moon, (Mothers)
3. eleven stars (Josephs eleven brothers)
And now from Revelation 12
This woman, can be none other than Israel. It was Israel that gave birth to the man child, the Messiah. He is to rule all the nations in the future, but right now this man child is in heaven, being 'taken up' there to be with G-d until it is time.
This woman is clothed with the Sun (Jacob) and the moon is at her feet (now this is actually played out in the heavens but for now the moon represents the women who gave birth to Israel. And Israel is represented by the crown she wears, which has twelve stars and represents her (Israel's ) 12 male children.
Now take a look at the new Euro
THE EURO BANKNOTES are to be given a redesign to include the image of the Greek mythological figure of Europa, the ECB has confirmed.
ECB president Mario Draghi this afternoon confirmed that the banknotes would be given an overhaul, beginning with the €5 note, of which the new notes will begin circulation in May 2013. The new design will include Europa’s likeness in their watermarks and in the hologram that appears down the side of the notes
New €5 Euro Banknote from Second Series - YouTube
Notice in the middle the symbol for the EU, TWELVE STARS and with the hologram you have 'Europa' the woman on the beast of Zeus, both looking towards the twelve stars.
Here is the pic of the statue of 'Europa' riding the beast, Zeus I posted in the other thread in case you didn't see it.
Notice how she is sitting, and how there is a 'Cherub' whispering in her ear and the bull seems to be riding over the sea (notice the dolphins which are found in the Mediterranean as well as many other waters around the world)
So what do you think this all means?
Daniel:
Revelation
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
