The End, according to Paul

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For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be abolished is death.
— 1 Corinthians 15:22-26

Paul is clear that Jesus is reigning, and will reign until all of His enemies are His footstool. Then He returns.

It’s that simple.
 

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For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be abolished is death.
— 1 Corinthians 15:22-26

Paul is clear that Jesus is reigning, and will reign until all of His enemies are His footstool. Then He returns.

It’s that simple.

"Paul is clear that Jesus is reigning, and will reign until all of His enemies are His footstool. Then He returns." at the end of Jesus's millennium rule on this present earth, and Satan's last rebellion....death the last enemy will be abolished when it and hell are cast into the lake of fire, at the Great White Throne Judgment.

Jesus has not yet returned to this present earth to reign and rule for the millennium.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
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This is the millennial rule. So He returns at the end, after death is defeated.
What would there be for Jesus to return to, since this present heaven and earth are destroyed before death and hell are cast into the lake of fire ?

Revelation 20: 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

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What would there be for Jesus to return to, since this present heaven and earth are destroyed before death and hell are cast into the lake of fire ?

Revelation 20: 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

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He returns to a victorious creation, as the conquering King. It started smell like, say, a mustard seed, and is growing and growing and growing.
 
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I wonder how disappointed Paul was when it didn't happen in his time as he expected. That goes for people today also.
Why do you think he thought it would happen in his time?
 
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He returns to a victorious creation, as the conquering King. It started smell like, say, a mustard seed, and is growing and growing and growing.
Who then is this per-millennial Jesus who stands on the Mt. of Olives splitting it in half in Zechariah 14 ?


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You do understand that’s not literal, correct??
Pre-millennial Jesus standing on the Mt of Olives splitting it in half is literal - Jesus's Return.
 
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Pre-millennial Jesus standing on the Mt of Olives splitting it in half is literal - Jesus's Return.
Sort of. It did happen, that’s for sure. And the surrounding verses show it to be true. Paul knew it would happen, but he also knew that it wasn’t the second advent.
 
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Sort of. It did happen, that’s for sure. And the surrounding verses show it to be true. Paul knew it would happen, but he also knew that it wasn’t the second advent.
Mt. of Olives is still intact.
 
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I wonder how disappointed Paul was when it didn't happen in his time as he expected. That goes for people today also.

Perhaps Paul and all the apostles believed it to be in this manner:

Luke 19:11 KJV
11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately [G3916 παραχρημα] appear.

Chrema, (χρημα), is riches or money, so they thought that the kingdom of Elohim would appear immediately, in full glory, (or riches), all at once: that is the reason given in this text for correcting their thinking in the parable which follows. I understand that there is much more to the parable, and what it teaches, but I am only going to quote the portion which makes the point I wish to offer here.

Luke 19:12-20 KJV
12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, [Acts 2?] having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, [Rom 14:10, 2 Cor 5:10] that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:

They do not all come at the same time: the Gospel is private, personal, and individual, to each in his or her own appointed times, times appointed of the Father, (and no man knows the day or the hour). Notice also that these are called unto him, which may easily be understood as called up, for the curious word used here is φωνεω, to emit a sound, (animal, human or instrumental), which may indeed imply the sound of a trumpet.

Then came the first .......
Then came the second .......
Then another came .......
....... then another ....... then another ....... until finally it is your turn .......


Is there a time limit? Nope.
Is there a 2000 year gap? Nope.
Can it include every believer since the first Advent? Yep.
 
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Yeah. Because it’s symbolic language.
Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

symbolic of what ? Zechariah 14 is too specific to be symbolic.
 
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Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

symbolic of what ? Zechariah 14 is too specific to be symbolic.
Is this literal?

For behold, the Lord is coming forth from His place.
He will come down and tread on the high places of the earth.
The mountains will melt under Him
And the valleys will be split,
Like wax before the fire,
Like water poured down a steep place.
— Micah 1:3-4
 
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Is this literal?

For behold, the Lord is coming forth from His place.
He will come down and tread on the high places of the earth.
The mountains will melt under Him
And the valleys will be split,
Like wax before the fire,
Like water poured down a steep place.
— Micah 1:3-4
Those verse contain metaphoric language.

But it is not Zechariah 14.
 
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Those verse contain metaphoric language.

But it is not Zechariah 14.

The valley split in one is a metaphor, but literal in another. What hermeneutic are you using to make that determination?
 
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The valley split in one is a metaphor, but literal in another. What hermeneutic are you using to make that determination?
valleys - plural in Micah. It does not specify which valleys. In Zechariah 14, Mt of Olives specifically. And the half to the north and half to the south - more specifics - directions given. And the valley created, singular - specifically by the Lord's feet - standing on the Mt of Olives.

What did I write in my post #15 ?

"Zechariah 14 is too specific to be symbolic."
 
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valleys - plural in Micah. It does not specify which valleys. In Zechariah 14, Mt of Olives specifically. And the half to the north and half to the south - more specifics - directions given. And the valley created, singular - specifically by the Lord's feet - standing on the Mt of Olives.

What did I write in my post #15 ?

"Zechariah 14 is too specific to be symbolic."
Not really. In places where scripture says “sun, moon, and stars” is specific. But it is quite obviously symbolic.

So why do you think Zach 14 contradicts Paul?
 
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