Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
He is normally considered inclusivist, not universalist. That is, he thought non-Christians could be saved, but not that everyone is. This quote is consistent with that.Billy Graham practically taught universalism.
"What God is doing today is calling people out of the world for His name. Whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the body of Christ" - Billy Graham
He is normally considered inclusivist, not universalist. That is, he thought non-Christians could be saved, but not that everyone is. This quote is consistent with that.
Help me out here, how do you get universalism from this?
Can you show one that says it isn't?
I think the person who hates and reects out Lord is relative scarce. For the most part non-Christians are those who follow some ofhter religion, or none, and who give out Lord little or no thought. I always hold up one my Korean great grandfathers who they tell me rejected Christanity as just another strange foreign religion. He didn't hate our Lord, he gave HIm no thought at all.
Net-net is that I think that attributing malice toward God to all unbelievers is simply yet another attempt to make the idea of eternal conscious torment a little less barbarous. If we're roasting fairly nice folks because they were a bit hard-headed then it doesn't sound either loving or just, it just sounds vicious.
If God wills it so, yes.
I believe that one means eternal life, and one means eterla death, in the sense of being made to have never existed, eternally erased from time and space. Bothe merciful and just. "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life". Infernalists believe that the wages of sin is eternal life nder torture. Not what it says at all. "Oh, but "death" doesn't really mean death, it really means torture." Baloney.
How many actually reject grace, as simply not having embraced it? This is simply making ECT sound less barbarous again. "Oh, but they chose to be tormented!" Nobody actually believes that.
I was a volunteer for many years as a counselor at the BG crusades and ministry.Never been there but while I was at my Alma Mater Billy Graham preached in the chapel '82ish . As one might expect everybody wanted to go see Billy. Each student, faculty and staff got one ticket. Since I am married guess who would get to use my 1 ticket? A few days prior to the event I was walking down a hallway and 2 students I didn't know were approaching one said to the other "I'm in the choir I don't need my ticket." "Hold on a minute I need another ticket." He tried to stall me but I said I can go right now." And that is how my wife got to see/hear and meet Billy Graham.
Luke 6
3He went into all the region around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins, 4as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet:
“A voice of one calling in the wilderness,
‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
make straight paths for Him.5Every valley shall be filled in,
and every mountain and hill made low.
The crooked ways shall be made straight,
and the rough ways smooth.6And all humanity will see God’s salvation.’ ”
John the Baptist began to preach shortly before Jesus started His public ministry. John called on people to repent of their sin (Luke 3:3). This fulfilled Old Testament prophecies which said a herald would precede the arrival of the Messiah (Malachi 3:1; 4:5–6). In this passage, Luke is quoting from Isaiah 40:3–5. The role of this "voice of one," calling out from the desert (Luke 1:80) is to prepare the people to meet their Savior.
John's preaching ministry was very direct (Luke 3:7), and it was also clear. He did not claim to be the Promised One, instead indicating people should follow Jesus when He arrived (John 1:26–34; 3:30).
In this context, "the salvation of God" is a reference to the Messiah, the Promised One, who is Christ. The prediction is that all people will be made aware of this Savior (Romans 1:18–20), not that all people will be saved by Him (John 3:36). The gospel is universal in its availability: any who want to repent and express faith can be saved by doing so (John 6:37; 2 Peter 3:9). Not all will choose that path (John 3:18).
You might want to check out Steven R. Harmon. He wrote a book covering the history of restoration for his doctorate. And he went to a Southern Baptist Seminary. He is not supporting the view, just writing about the history. I think you may appreciate his research.I have some papers I submitted for credit but no clue where they are.
Sure that is always a possibility. I remain hopeful that all will meet God in His full Glory and at that point they will be like St. Paul, unable to reject Him.I believe that if God reveals Himself fully to someone, and that someone rejects God, that is unforgivable simply because what more can God do?
Interesting. Is there any scripture referring to that?The afterlife is no longer subject to time. So any reference to "eternal" does not include the passage of time but refers to a timeless state.
Yes. Though, let me first preface this by saying that the burden of proof is not on me, for I’m not the one arguing from silence. That is, God’s Word talks a lot about judgment to salvation and damnation, and whenever it does, it exclusively talks about these two outcomes. So this is to get at an exegetical point: Whenever we want to learn what the Bible says on any given topic, we should allow the texts that deal with the topic to govern the texts that don't.
Having said this, the Bible does express that repentance is not possible after death nor in the resurrection, and in no vague terms:
(1) Repentance is not possible after death — cf. Christ's story of Lazarus and the rich man in Luke 16:19-31. Specifically, it says, talking about heaven and hell: "Besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not do so, and none may cross from there to us."
We know that matter has a beginning and that matter ages or deteriorates over time. In fact the deterioration of matter and the increase in disorder is how we measure time.Interesting. Is there any scripture referring to that?
I recommend this book https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0310516463/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1657536751&sr=8-2From the earliest days of the church, there have always been three views on what happens to those who die without knowing Christ...damnation, annihilation, and restoration.
Damnation views hell as retributive punishment and the duration is eternal without end.
Annihilation has an end at some point and destroys evil to ashes. Those of this view may expand further.
The restoration view teaches that hell is medicinal and temporal with an outcome of celebration, restored to their creator.
Explain your view and the duration and how you came to that conclusion.
Not so sure Paul would agree. He has a fully supernatural view of the world. For him it’s not humans making decisions on their own. It’s God in the process of defeating the powers and principalities. When he talks about sin, it’s mostly not individual wrong acts. Sin is a power oppressing us. What we see in 1 Cor 15 is the final defeat of the oppressors and the triumph of God.
Yes this is the position of human free will. Yet there are many passages that indicate salvation is not based on human effort but on God's will.
Paul didn't teach that all would be saved.
God doesn't force His will on anyone .... if He did then free will would not exist.
Force will not be needed. It will be willingly.God doesn't force His will on anyone .... if He did then free will would not exist.
Accepting the gift of salvation is a choice not a work, it's a choice ... He invites all but not all will choose to accept the gift.
Romans 3
9The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.
Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,
I have yet for anybody to explain to me how the unrighteous after they are thrown into fiery punishment for some period of time emerge from that punishment loving and serving God?Force will not be needed. It will be willingly.
I have yet for anybody to explain to me how the unrighteous after they are thrown into fiery punishment for some period of time emerge from that punishment loving and serving God?
The prison recidivism in the US is about 60%. That is out of every 100 prisoners released from prison about 60 are not rehabilitated, they return to prison. But supposedly among the unrighteous who are sentenced to hell there is a 100% rehabilitation rate. Why this gret disparity? I can't find any scrfipture which directly supports this.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?