The Double Message of Eternal Security.

[Neogaia777]

Mind you, some believe I will be thrown into the lake of fire, as I dont perform perfect!

You may or may not have to obey or perform, but you must agree with God, I think... As I said earlier in this thread, it depends on who you are, maybe be partly where you came from, exactly how you came to be, where you "should be", all the details, "all" of which, can only be known by God alone, not even you know or can know it, except only by revelation by God (if it's in the, or his, cards for you, so to speak)... Lacking it being revealed to you, might be able to excuse from some sin(s)... And knowing it may not, I don't know, but, God does...

Sin is wrong, sin is bad, sin is risky, it's dangerous, it's destructive, and harms you or causes suffering in you and others connected to you in a way you cannot conceive or often comprehend of fully (yet)...

But as to judging "serious sin" from, I guess, "not so serious" sin, (I guess) as some have said...? How do you know which is less or greater, or more or less serious...? and what is less or greater may be specific and different and custom tailored to each individual by an individual by individual case, in God's eyes...

I can't believe some think they can be God and determine that... That's gotta be a sin in itself, as I am about to explain in a bit, the sin of the Devil...

So, I guess if you only sin a little or minorly, then you can still get into heaven or be forgiven, but if not, if you commit more serious sin, (in some mere man's eyes, not taking in all the individual factors with individuals), anyways, I guess if you commit more serious sin, then you go to the lake of fire to be tormented forever, right...?

One of the greatest deceptions of the enemy is not mainly or primarily worship of him, but trying to get you to commit the same kind of sin he does, to try to prevent the advocate advocating for you to get into heaven, and in opposing this one and our getting in, Satan tries to get us all to commit the same sin as him, mainly and primarily now, so that he get off, or get out of a trap of being judged by God for his sins, by getting us to do the same, those who do the same as him, would have to condemned along with him, if God was to condemn him...

That sin is thinking you are God, even when your not fully aware you doing it, like some on here...

The best defense for this move of Satan, trying to basically hold us hostage now, or use us as a shield, most unaware of it, like some on here, the best defense is to not be commiting the same sin(s) as him, which I call, "more serious" (and jeapordizing) sin...

For more on the court case going on, see here:

A theoretical conversation between God, the Father, and God, the Son...

Satan has stood up in opposition to the plans of our advocate (J.C.) and opposes him, cause he does not like us, or him...

J.C. is saying why we should get in, Satan is saying why we should not...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

How do some of you guys think you can judge such things...?

Are you God...?

Do you not see how blind you are...?

 

[stuart lawrence]

You may or may not have to obey or perform, but you must agree with God, I think... As I said earlier in this thread, it depends on who you are, maybe be partly where you came from, exactly how you came to be, where you "should be", all the details, "all" of which, can only be known by God alone, not even you know or can know it, except only by revelation by God (if it's in the, or his, cards for you, so to speak)... Lacking it being revealed to you, might be able to excuse from some sin(s)... And knowing it may not, I don't know, but, God does...

Sin is wrong, sin is bad, sin is risky, it's dangerous, it's destructive, and harms you or causes suffering in you and others connected to you in a way you cannot conceive or often comprehend of fully (yet)...

But as to judging "serious sin" from, I guess, "not so serious" sin, (I guess) as some have said...? How do you know which is less or greater, or more or less serious...? and what is less or greater may be specific and different and custom tailored to each individual by an individual by individual case, in God's eyes...

I can't believe some think they can be God and determine that... That's gotta be a sin in itself, as I am about to explain in a bit, the sin of the Devil...

So, I guess if you only sin a little or minorly, then you can still get into heaven or be forgiven, but if not, if you commit more serious sin, (in some mere man's eyes, not taking in all the individual factors with individuals), anyways, I guess if you commit more serious sin, then you go to the lake of fire to be tormented forever, right...?

One of the greatest deceptions of the enemy is not mainly or primarily worship of him, but trying to get you to commit the same kind of sin he does, to try to prevent the advocate advocating for you to get into heaven, and in opposing this one and our getting in, Satan tries to get us all to commit the same sin as him, mainly and primarily now, so that he get off, or get out of a trap of being judged by God for his sins, by getting us to do the same, those who do the same as him, would have to condemned along with him, if God was to condemn him...

That sin is thinking you are God, even when your not fully aware you doing it, like some on here...

The best defense for this move of Satan, trying to basically hold us hostage now, or use us as a shield, most unaware of it, like some on here, the best defense is to not be commiting the same sin(s) as him, which I call, "more serious" (and jeapordizing) sin...

For more on the court case going on, see here:

A theoretical conversation between God, the Father, and God, the Son...

Satan has stood up in opposition to the plans of our advocate (J.C.) and opposes him, cause he does not like us, or him...

J.C. is saying why we should get in, Satan is saying why we should not...

God Bless!

You are right. How did Satan tempt Eve?

For God knows that when you eat it you will be like God, knowing good from evil
Gen3:5

Some believe they are as Christ, sinless!

 

[Neogaia777]

You are right. How did Satan tempt Eve?

For God knows that when you eat it you will be like God, knowing good from evil
Gen3:5

Some believe they are as Christ, sinless!

Their conclusion is that they are like God, and our conclusion is that we are not, and have come to know we are not, maybe by the same kind of sin that they are committing, or at least, for me, I do not claim to know if that is how you came to know that error, @stuart lawrence...

Do not succumb to committing the same sin as the Devil, or stay in it till you die, or you will have to stand with the Devil on judgment day...

God Bless!

 

[stuart lawrence]

Their conclusion is that they are like God, and our conclusion is that we are not, and have come to know we are not, maybe by the same kind of sin that they are committing, or at least, for me, I do not claim to know if that is how you came to know that error, @stuart lawrence...

Do not succumb to committing the same sin as the Devil, or stay in it till you die, or you will have to stand with the Devil on judgment day...

God Bless!

The question is this.
All Christians have the law God desires them to keep written on their minds and placed in their hearts. That law is in their most inward parts. There can be no hiding from it. So how come a few,( only a few thank goodness) claim they never commit sin, but the rest of us acknowledge we are not sinless for the law that reveals the sin is within us

 

[Neogaia777]

The question is this.
All Christians have the law God desires them to keep written on their minds and placed in their hearts. That law is in their most inward parts. There can be no hiding from it. So how come a few,( only a few thank goodness) claim they never commit sin, but the rest of us acknowledge we are not sinless for the law that reveals the sin is within us

They should know, but, my guess is their not in touch with their hearts or what is written in/on it very much, insisting on the letter of the law written in stone, instead of the spirit of the law in their hearts, (that is even stricter, yet also more flexible), (which they do not understand either), that I suspect their not as "in touch" with their hearts as we are... I guess anyway...?

They are embracing the Old covenant and rejecting the New covenant, but, we see the Old covenant as the beginning of the New covenant and say that both are actually one... By a different take on the Old Covenant...

So, who is right...?

God Bless!

 

[stuart lawrence]

They should know, but, my guess is their not in touch with their hearts or what is written in/on it very much, insisting on the letter of the law written in stone, instead of the spirit of the law in their hearts, that I suspect their not as "in touch" with as ours... I guess anyway...?

God Bless!

Yes. Some actually believe it is easy to obey the TC. Paul knew otherwise

 

[1stcenturylady]

The question is this.
All Christians have the law God desires them to keep written on their minds and placed in their hearts. That law is in their most inward parts. There can be no hiding from it. So how come a few,( only a few thank goodness) claim they never commit sin, but the rest of us acknowledge we are not sinless for the law that reveals the sin is within us

But if, as you say, the law is within us, isn't it only sin when you go against your conscience? What if you obeyed your conscience instead?

 

[stuart lawrence]

But if, as you say, the law is within us, isn't it only sin when you go against your conscience? What if you obeyed your conscience instead?

My dear lady, i have come to realise that constructive debate, that can lead anywhere meaningful with you or Jason is impossible. I don't mean to be unkind. But even when you are plainly shown something from scripture you refuse to accept it.
Jason is the same. He has been shown as clear as day that when Paul wrote of the Christian dying to the law he included moral law in that, but Jason simply ignores it and carries on.
We can chat about badgers, or other things if you like, but spiritual debate is pointless

 

[Neogaia777]

But if, as you say, the law is within us, isn't it only sin when you go against your conscience? What if you obeyed your conscience instead?

You have to work to get your conscience to line up with God's before you should do that, and not the world, it's system, or the enemy behind it... Might require you to separate yourself, or for yourself to be separated from it...

God Bless!

 

[1stcenturylady]

My dear lady, i have come to realise that constructive debate, that can lead anywhere meaningful with you or Jason is impossible. I don't mean to be unkind. But even when you are plainly shown something from scripture you refuse to accept it.
Jason is the same. He has been shown as clear as day that when Paul wrote of the Christian dying to the law he included moral law in that, but Jason simply ignores it and carries on.
We can chat about badgers, or other things if you like, but spiritual debate is pointless

I'm not debating right now, I'm trying to figure what you believe. Sometimes I think you believe Jesus is the end to all law, and then other times you say there is law, and it is written on our hearts but there is no sin. All sin is forgiven. But, I think you are right, but my thing is raccoons.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I'm not debating right now, I'm trying to figure what you believe. Sometimes I think you believe Jesus is the end to all law, and then other times you say there is law, and it is written on our hearts but there is no sin. All sin is forgiven. But, I think you are right, but my thing is raccoons.

I don't mean this unkindly. But if you don't understand by now what I believe, after all the discussions we have had, you never will.
Do you have many badgers where you live?

 

[1stcenturylady]

I don't mean this unkindly. But if you don't understand by now what I believe, after all the discussions we have had, you never will.
Do you have many badgers where you live?

Yes, but they are a different type than yours. Different markings. But probably just as mean.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Yes, but they are a different type than yours. Different markings. But probably just as mean.

I didn't even know badgers had different markings, know nothing about them. But I'm willing to learn if you want to chat about them

 

[1stcenturylady]

I didn't even know badgers had different markings, know nothing about them. But I'm willing to learn if you want to chat about them

Did you look at the picture of yours, or couldn't you on your phone. Just look up badgers in England, then American badger.

Good night.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Did you look at the picture of yours, or couldn't you on your phone. Just look up badgers in England, then American badger.

Good night.

Tell you what. I will look up badgers in England, you look up badgers in America, then we can explain to each other about our own countries badgers. Is that OK?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Did you look at the picture of yours, or couldn't you on your phone. Just look up badgers in England, then American badger.

Good night.

There are about 288000 badgers in the UK, with an estimated 45000 killed each year in road accidents. How does that compare with the states?

 

[Dan61861]

Humbling yes;

However the truth is: Saved and born again men become "Gods inheritance."

God Bless,
SBC

I don't disagree with that at all, we are His inheritance.

In Christ
Daniel

 

[1stcenturylady]

There are about 288000 badgers in the UK, with an estimated 45000 killed each year in road accidents. How does that compare with the states?

I don't really google roadkill. LOL

I was in bed thinking about what you believe, and I think my problem is I know what you believe about law, but not about sin. Maybe that clue will come out in one of your posts to Dan or the lionhead guy.

 

[Dan61861]

Agree.



Disagree.

God Bless,
SBC

Maybe I worded it wrong. What can we give, that He hasn't first given to us. All is His, He has created all. Anything that I give is giving back to Him what He has given.

In Christ
Daniel