The Double Message of Eternal Security.

[ToBeLoved]

Where did I say I was like you?

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Post 367. You said I was like you. Ummm. No.

I'm not like you at all. I don't value my own thinking over God. Never have. Never will.

 

[ToBeLoved]

See. You don't believe that verse along with many other verses.

James 4:6 plainly says that God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.
Grace is salvation.
It's such a simple verse to understand.
Yet, you do not like what it says because you prefer to believe in a doctrine that is more comforting (yet it is not true).


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You really need to study the word grace in this context. We are all proud. We would all be doomed.

Read and study it again.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Well I would say. Crushing others will impossible demands is sinning. Not practising what you preach is sinning.
How many times a day can people do that and still be saved? They are breaking the second most important commandment

Paul said to judge ourselves. That's all I'm asking people to consider.

 

[1stcenturylady]

You really need to study the word grace in this context. We are all proud. We would all be doomed.

Read and study it again.

Hi sis, How would you describe grace in James 4:6? When God gives grace to the humble, what does He give.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Hi sis, How would you describe grace in James 4:6? When God gives grace to the humble, what does He give.

The grace is not saving grace. Salvation is through faith.

My issue with what the previous poster said was he was equating it to salvation. Salvation is by faith.

 

[Dan61861]

The word humble is the word you should find the meaning too. This is the humble it is talking about..

And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

In Christ
Daniel

 

[stuart lawrence]

Paul said to judge ourselves. That's all I'm asking people to consider.

Did you know, that many people who go to the type of churches you and I have mainly been to, suffer much guilt and torment due to their imperfections?
They judge themselves very harshly indeed

 

[1stcenturylady]

Did you know, that many people who go to the type of churches you and I have mainly been to, suffer much guilt and torment due to their imperfections?
They judge themselves very harshly indeed

I do not find that to be the case. If someone actually has the Holy Spirit, and not everyone that claims Christ has the Holy Spirit, they have power over sin and are not struggling with guilt. Maybe you ran into people without this power.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I do not find that to be the case. If someone actually has the Holy Spirit, and not everyone that claims Christ has the Holy Spirit, they have power over sin and are not struggling with guilt. Maybe you ran into people without this power.

They only have power over sin/ sin shall not be their master if they live under grace, not law. The Bible is quite clear on that.
Many pentecostal/ evangelical churches could walk hand in hand with the RC church where justification/ righteousness is concerned, as I previously told you. But people who attend evangelical churches are in the worse position out of the two, for they accept the fullness of the Holy Spirit. To accept that fullness, and in reality live under law, not grace is a hard place to be at

 

[1stcenturylady]

The grace is not saving grace. Salvation is through faith.

My issue with what the previous poster said was he was equating it to salvation. Salvation is by faith.

Yes, grace can actually draw a person to find Christ and makes a person want salvation. It is unmerited favor before Christ, and no one comes to the Father unless the Spirit draw him. Then after salvation, Christ bestows His own power which is also grace. Graces are attributes of God. "the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

 

[1stcenturylady]

They only have power over sin/ sin shall not be their master if they live under grace, not law. The Bible is quite clear on that.
Many pentecostal/ evangelical churches could walk hand in hand with the RC church where justification/ righteousness is concerned, as I previously told you. But people who attend evangelical churches are in the worse position out of the two, for they accept the fullness of the Holy Spirit. To accept that fullness, and in reality live under law, not grace is a hard place to be at

Don't forget Romans 6. (a most enlightening chapter). 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?"

 

[stuart lawrence]

Don't forget Romans 6. (a most enlightening chapter). 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?"

Romans 6 is enilghtening:

For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace verse14

Note it does not say sin shall not be your master for you have the Holy Spirit, but because you are not under law but under grace

 

[stuart lawrence]

Don't forget Romans 6. (a most enlightening chapter). 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?"

Romans 7 is immensley enlightening also!

 

[1stcenturylady]

Romans 6 is enilghtening:

For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace verse14

Note it does not say sin shall not be your master for you have the Holy Spirit, but because you are not under law but under grace

Interesting thought, but the Holy Spirit is not introduced until chapter 8.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Interesting thought, but the Holy Spirit is not introduced until chapter 8.

Lol

 

[1stcenturylady]

Lol

 

[stuart lawrence]

The power of sin is the law 1cor15:56

 

[stuart lawrence]

Interesting thought, but the Holy Spirit is not introduced until chapter 8.

I will pray for you to receive enlightenment

 

[stuart lawrence]

Do we then nullify the law by this faith( a righteousness of faith in Christ not observing the law) not at all! Rather we uphold the law
Rom3:31

It is pretty consistent, for those who allow themselves to see

 

[1stcenturylady]

Do we then nullify the law by this faith( a righteousness of faith in Christ not observing the law) not at all! Rather we uphold the law
Rom3:31

It is pretty consistent, for those who allow themselves to see

And how do we uphold the law?