stuart lawrence
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You can't be under law if it all got abolished!
Has the TC/ moral law been abolished?
If you don't answer I will assume you don't know
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You can't be under law if it all got abolished!That is why I wrote this, It is the Spirit that sanctifies us. We are washed clean, because the flesh cannot please God.
Can your flesh please God?
It is God that washes us white as snow. It is Christ's righteousness that is imputed onto us that makes us righteous. We believe in Christ. Abraham believed and it was counted as righteousness. Abraham looked forward to his redeemer, we look back towards are redeemer. Christ is that redeemer.
In Christ
Daniel
Right, Paul did not have a righteousness of His own...He has the righteousness of Christ.Paul had the Holy Spirit:
Not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law...
Phil3:9
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Well if gal5:18 only refers to Torah, not the moral law, that's no problem is it, that law could be faultlessly obeyedBecause the Galatians were being taught, falsely, that they had to become circumcised, and keep the law of Moses in order to be saved.
This was the "other gospel", that Paul said was no Gospel at all.
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9
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O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Galatians 3:1-4
That is the context, of the statement Paul made in Galatians 5:18, when he said;
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
The law here is a reference to the law of Moses.
JLB
We are not under the Law. The Cross has ended the Law. All of it/You can't be under law if it all got abolished!
Has the TC/ moral law been abolished?
If you don't answer I will assume you don't know
Would you agree:We are not under the Law. The Cross has ended the Law. All of it/
In Christ
Daniel
This just isn't true, Jason you have selective reading.James is talking about the Royal Law or the Law of Love in James 2.
It is why he was telling us not to have respect of persons in the beginning of the chapter.
It would break the law of love if we take favor with believers who appear to be rich versus those who are poor looking. He says if you break this law (i.e. the law of love), you break all of God's laws. By no means is James saying if you fail to obey other commands like "pray without ceasing" it relates to spiritual death or the breaking of all of God's laws.
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I have no problem at all. Christ is our righteousness. If we Love, we fulfill the Law. Like I said earlier, I don't sleep around on my wife because I shall not. I don't sleep around on my wife because I love her.Would you agree:
Christ is the end of the law, UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS( not full stop) for everyone who believeth rom10:4
The law itself has not been abolished, it has been transferred from tablets of stone to tablets of human hearts(2cor3:3)
But the Christian is not under the law unto righteousness, for Christ is their righteousness before God
Well if gal5:18 only refers to Torah, not the moral law, that's no problem is it, that law could be faultlessly obeyed
If gal5:18 refers to Torah, but not the moral law, there's no problem being under it. For that law could be faultlessly obeyed by people who did not even love GodThe law being referred to in Galatians 5:18 is the law of Moses.
That is the context.
The works of the law refers to the law of Moses.
Paul warned these people not to be influenced by those Jews who came there to preach another Gospel, which required them to take up the law of Moses.
Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free,and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
7 You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? 8 This persuasion does not come from Him who calls you. 9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump. 10 I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is.
11 And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased. 12 I could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off!
13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Galatians 5:1-18
The law is a reference to the law of Moses, which includes circumcision.
JLB
If gal5:18 refers to Torah, but not the moral law, there's no problem being under it. For that law could be faultlessly obeyed by people who did not even love God
No one denies that you should put your flesh under subjection. As Christians we all do this. In no way do we call it righteousness though, as Christians our life is in Christ's righteousness.Which is why I don't hang around where women, prance around half naked, or stare at a woman with lust.
The main thing is, I have learned to spend time alone with God everyday, and spend time meditating on His word, and listening to godly music, and setting my mind on things of the Spirit.
When we spend time with God everyday, worshiping Him, praying in the spirit, and interceeding for our loved ones, and those He outs on our heart, we will always ask Him to forgive our sins, and come before him Him to cleanse us of sins we are not even aware of.
Making this a practice, I have found to be the best way to live according to the Spirit, rather than the desires of my flesh.
Being filled with the Spirit, is the key to crucifying the flesh.
JLB
No one denies that you should put your flesh under subjection. As Christians we all do this. In no way do we call it righteousness though, as Christians our life is in Christ's righteousness.
In Christ
Daniel
Does gal5:18 include reference to the moral law/ TC?The Torah [Law] is a reference to the first 5 books of the Bible, which include Genesis.
The law of Moses, began in Exodus.
JLB
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.Please share with us the scripture you are referring to.
Thanks JLB
Would you agree:
Christ is the end of the law, UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS( not full stop) for everyone who believeth rom10:4
The law itself has not been abolished, it has been transferred from tablets of stone to tablets of human hearts(2cor3:3)
But the Christian is not under the law unto righteousness, for Christ is their righteousness before God
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Jason you don't understand this subject, your posts prove thatTo everyone who believes in what?
A mental picture of Jesus?
For if you believe in a Jesus that told you to jump off a bridge, that would be another Jesus. In other words, if you believe in the Jesus of the Bible, you also have to believe everything He commands of us, too. If not, your creating another Jesus of your own imagination that is not in Scripture.
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Therefore, as (Adam) one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so (Christ) one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by the one (Adam) man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one (Christ) man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.Please share with us the scripture you are referring to.
Thanks JLB
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
In no way do we call it righteousness though, as Christians our life is in Christ's righteousness.
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