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With God, the Great Spirit, ALL things are possible. For temporal state physical only man, we find that most things are impossible!
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With God, the Great Spirit, ALL things are possible. For temporal state physical only man, we find that most things are impossible!Well this is my point. We know I can't spring out of a giant toaster and land on Saturn in good shape, because we know how that stuff works.
If the spiritual is beyond human scrutiny, how can you tell me what is and isn't possible?
Well, we know what a spirit isn't made of. A physical only body! Even Jesus, the Firstborn from the dead of men, had a spiritual as well as physical body. It could go through solid matter, and all sorts of things we cannot do.
But, science can't scrutinize Him. He has plenty on offer about Him, and how He works, what He likes, etc in His manual to man. Science has to line up, like anyone else, and humbly learn the way it is available an revealed. They will be scrutinized by the Great Scrutinizer!
With God, the Great Spirit, ALL things are possible. For temporal state physical only man, we find that most things are impossible!
Sure. But the same way all other men can have it. Nothing to do with science!You're just begging the question without answering ours. Let me go about this another way: Can a scientist have a 'real' spiritual experience?
Sure. But the same way all other men can have it. Nothing to do with science!
No, the poor sod just better accept it, and be happy.A scientist can have a spiritual experience. Good. So, can this person, who's versed in science not analyze it?
What he ate doesn't matter, or what he thought, at what time! Not a bit. If a spirit comes into his room and speaks to him, it won't be about his supper.Can he not write down what he felt, when he felt it, what he ate that day, what he was thinking, if this is his first time feeling it, try to repeat his experience, et cetera to try to analyze his experience?
I think it does.That doesn't answer the question I asked.
No, the poor sod just better accept it, and be happy.
What he ate doesn't matter, or what he thought, at what time! Not a bit. If a spirit comes into his room and speaks to him, it won't be about his supper.
What would make the able? If what they are experiencing is spiritual in nature, they need a spiritual nature to clue in..no?So, what would make a person unable to analyze what they're experiencing?
A person is normally able to analyze experiences. What about this experience would make a person be unable to do what they can normally do?What would make the able?
First off, what's a 'nature' in this context? Second, what's a 'spiritual nature?' Third, are people with 'spiritual natures' incapable of analysis?If what they are experiencing is spiritual in nature, they need a spiritual nature to clue in..no?
A person is normally able to analyze experiences.
What about this experience would make a person be unable to do what they can normally do?
People that are born of the spirit are aware of the spiritual, and alive to it...to some degree. But that will not allow them to take a picture of a spook. It just means they see the fingerprints of God, where the next guy would miss them.First off, what's a 'nature' in this context? Second, what's a 'spiritual nature?' Third, are people with 'spiritual natures' incapable of analysis?
Spirits are not normal! What we analyze is our nature, not theirs!
They can do what they normally do till they are blue in the face, it won't help detect spirits.
People that are born of the spirit are aware of the spiritual, and alive to it...to some degree. But that will not allow them to take a picture of a spook. It just means they see the fingerprints of God, where the next guy would miss them.
Easy. Spirits are not physical. They are spiritual. Science only deals in the ...physical universe. Can you name me ANY instrument in a lab that can see a spirit, if I brought one in for tea? If not, what do you think you will analyze with?What property makes spirits not be able to be analyzed and if you can't analyze them, how do you know anything about them? You have described several of their attributes, yet you insist they can't be analyzed. How would you explain this contradiction?
Yes. Nicodemus in the book of John was born again. Millions of believers since also have been. It isn't the parents that give us spiritual life, it is God.People whose parents are spirits can sense spirits? Can you give me an example of people who have been born from spirits?
People can't even see or hear spirits, generally, that makes an analysis difficult! If a spirit is sent to someone, then they can see it. They do not decide, the spirit does, or God, really, who is in charge of things. When Jesus and the 2 angels appeared as men to Abraham, they had supper with him. How would it be that you think he could have tested them?Can these people not analyze spirits and why or why not?
Since you didn't answer my questions, I'll reiterate it:Easy. Spirits are not physical. They are spiritual. Science only deals in the ...physical universe. Can you name me ANY instrument in a lab that can see a spirit, if I brought one in for tea? If not, what do you think you will analyze with?
So, he went inside the uterus of a spirit, god, or what?Yes. Nicodemus in the book of John was born again. Millions of believers since also have been. It isn't the parents that give us spiritual life, it is God.
How do you detect a spirit?People can't even see or hear spirits, generally, that makes an analysis difficult! If a spirit is sent to someone, then they can see it. They do not decide, the spirit does, or God, really, who is in charge of things. When Jesus and the 2 angels appeared as men to Abraham, they had supper with him. How would it be that you think he could have tested them?
Since you didn't answer my questions, I'll reiterate it:
if you can't analyze them, how do you know anything about them?
They can't be analysis by science. What attribute of ..walking through a wall..can you analyze? What aspect of some possessed man foaming at the mouth can you analyze?You have described several of their attributes, yet you insist they can't be analyzed. How would you explain this contradiction?
No. His inner being became alive, and able to start being aware of things spiritual. Nothing to do with crawling back into the womb.So, he went inside the uterus of a spirit, god, or what?
I don't. Not if I can help it. God is a spirit, and He made Himself detectable through the medium of His word. That'll do it.How do you detect a spirit?
Are you telepathic as well as supernatural? It doesn't answer my question.I think it does.
As close to the truth as you're going to get. That which you ascribe to some spiritual experience is something which makes you think or feel a particular way i.e. a change in your own psyche.dad said:What we analyze is our nature, not theirs!
Yes, we can. God set up tests. Many have tried Him out. Apparently, the water is fine. Prophesy and history also confirm a spiritual reality....
You are as limited to a physical world as I am. We cannot 'test' to see if the spirit world exists,
all your information concerning an alleged spirit world is taken from the Bible. In order to accept what the Bible says is true, we must presuppose the spirit world exists.
What tests can I perform to verify the 'spiritual realm' exists?Yes, we can. God set up tests. Many have tried Him out. Apparently, the water is fine. Prophesy and history also confirm a spiritual reality.
What tests can I perform that verify that a present state universe will exist in the future, that will kill it all? None.What tests can I perform to verify the 'spiritual realm' exists?
None.
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