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I am not a Baptist either
FaithfulArminian said:Calvinists insist that regeneration preceeds faith, but this is impossible. Regeneration and justification are simultanious results of saving faith, so faith has to come first because the Bible says we're justified by faith [Ro. 5:1]. Frankly, Ezekiel 36:26 just doesn't say what Calvinists claim.
"τοῦτο" - nom. sg. neut. demonstrative pronoun, or "τοῦτο" -acc. sg. neut. demonstative pronoun.
this, this person or thing, used by way of contempt, this fellow, "auto tοῦτο", this very thing, this same thing, eis auto touto, and elliptically, auto touto, for this same purpose, on this account, kai outos, and moreover, kai touto, and that too, touto uev, touto de, partly -partly.
Faith justifies only as an instrument which God has appointed to the apprehension and application of Christs righteousness. When we say faith is the instrument of our justification, understand that it is not meant that faith is the instrument whereby God justifies us, by no means, rather, we mean that faith is the instrument whereby we receive Jesus Christ. Christ has merited righteousness for us, and faith in Christ is what renders it right in Gods sight that the purchased blessing is assigned. Faith unites us to Christ. Having been made one with Christ in spirit, God now considers us as one with Him in the Law.
We are justified by faith, not for faith, not for what faith is, rather, because of what faith receives.
The Gospel
What is the gospel? The gospel is the message that Jesus Christ, the King of kings and Lord of lords, voluntarily laid down His priceless life in payment for the sins of all who will repent and believe.
Nothing is a part of our own "free will" Robert. Free will is a myth. The Bible teaches that people have a will, but it is a limited will. The natural man is enslaved to sin and has no desire to repent. The elected man is called of God and will eventually come to repentant, saving faith in Christ.So anyone who will repent and believe can and will be saved. Also isnt the act of repenting not a part of our own free will? Isnt this something that we must do on our own?
Nothing is a part of our own "free will" Robert. Free will is a myth. The Bible teaches that people have a will, but it is a limited will. The natural man is enslaved to sin and has no desire to repent. The elected man is called of God and will eventually come to repentant, saving faith in Christ.
Great questions. Firstly, the Scriptures teach that God calls only those whom He plans to redeem [Ro. 8:29-30] See HERE for more. Secondly, God does indeed elect people according to His foreknowledge, but God's foreknowledge is active, not passive. That means "foreknew" indicates something God caused to happen, not merely the passive transfer of information concerning who would freely believe.But don't we have a choice whether or not to accept His calling? Or are you saying God only calls certain people? Isn't God not restricted by time? Couldn't the elect be those who accepted God's calling whom God foreknew would?
Two thoughts: Firstly, we most certainly DO know God's motives; He has revealed them in Scripture. It is God's chief motivation to bring glory to His holy name by saving people [Eph. 1:12]. Secondly, you are right -- God is in no way restricted by the choices we make. In fact, even our sinful choices ultimately result in God's righteous ends. See COMPATIBLISM.We don't fully know or fully understand God's motives. We know God isn't restricted neither by man's choice to His calling. He can intervene just like He did with Saul to fulfill out His plan.
It is possible to argue that Adam and Eve were the only human beings in history to have a truly free will, and some Calvinists espouse that position. But the Scriptures make it fairly clear that God knew the fall would occur even prior to creation. When speaking of those who would NOT worship the Beast of Revelation, the following is noted: "And the Beast was allowed to make war against...everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain." [Rev. 13:8] So then, if the names of future believers were recorded in the Lamb's Book Of Life before the world began, then it seems clear God knew He would need to be saving people from their sins. Therefore, even though Adam and Eve bear full responsibility for their rebellion, it is compatibilistically true that God also sovereignly decreed the fall.Correct me if I'm wrongBut could we say God gave adam and eve free will and they chose to disobey? So now we always choose sin, but do we still have a choice whether or not to accept His calling? His "wooing"?
Faith is the evidence of election. Paul told the Tessilonians in 1Thess. 1:4-10 that he knew that they were elect and then gave the reasons why. In verse 5 he knew they were elect because the Gospel came to them in power. In verse 6 he knew they were elect because they became followers of Christ. In verse 7 and 8 it was because they proclaimed the Gospel and became examples. In verse 9 it was because they turned from idols to serve the living God. And in verse 10 he knew they were elect because they waited for the return of Christ. Assurance of salvation never comes from anything in us or from anything we do. If it does we would never have any assurance. Assuance comes from the faithfulness of God to His Word. He said all who believe are saved and I take Him at His word. I do not believe as I ought to or as much as I should or even as much as most probably but I do believe Him.How do any of us know absolutely for certain that we are the Elect? Other than experiencing the voice of the Holy Spirit telling us we are saved? How do we know for 100% certain when we are saved? We start sinning less and less each day? How would we know we aren't fooling ourselves into thinking we are saved when we may not be? I'm sure someone has answers to these, but they stem from this doctrine of predestination that I'm not disputing - I just want to fully understand the ultimate ramifications of that belief (or truth).
Great questions. Firstly, the Scriptures teach that God calls only those whom He plans to redeem [Ro. 8:29-30] See for more. Secondly, God does indeed elect people according to His foreknowledge, but God's foreknowledge is active, not passive. That means "foreknew" indicates something God caused to happen, not merely the passive transfer of information concerning who would freely believe.Two thoughts: Firstly, we most certainly DO know God's motives; He has revealed them in Scripture. It is God's chief motivation to bring glory to His holy name by saving people [Eph. 1:12]. Secondly, you are right -- God is in no way restricted by the choices we make. In fact, even our sinful choices ultimately result in God's righteous ends. See .It is possible to argue that Adam and Eve were the only human beings in history to have a truly free will, and some Calvinists espouse that position. But the Scriptures make it fairly clear that God knew the fall would occur even prior to creation. When speaking of those who would NOT worship the Beast of Revelation, the following is noted: "And the Beast was allowed to make war against...everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain." [Rev. 13:8] So then, if the names of future believers were recorded in the Lamb's Book Of Life before the world began, then it seems clear God knew He would need to be saving people from their sins. Therefore, even though Adam and Eve bear full responsibility for their rebellion, it is compatibilistically true that God also sovereignly decreed the fall.
There are two options for your friend:I have an acquintance who professed Christ and has strayed and neither worships nor attends church. Her lifestyle doesn't appear consistent with a Christian lifestyle, but she believes in once saved always saved and as a young teenager she accepted Christ as her savior and repented. Has she lost her salvation? Would you say she never really had it to start with? I hardly know of a single Christian that hasn't strayed at some point and back slid. What does this mean for them?
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