The doctrine of hell

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Sammy-San]

I usually pay them little or no mind. Many of them are scammers. Or had too many slices of jalapeno pizza before going to bed.

There may be a few true visions in there; but even those often are colored by the doctrines and world view of the person telling the tale.

Do you have examples of that?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Jesus can...is able to destroy both soul and body later
in the lake of fire. He also said that God was able to use
some stones and raise up children to Abraham.

Destroy the soul means exactly that. To destroy it whereby it no longer exists. I can destroy a piece of paper by throwing it into the fire. That is the picture here. Lake of Fire. It burns things. Brings them to ashes.

For the Final Fate of the Wicked is Destruction (or Annihiation):

• 2 Thessalonians 1:9

"Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power."​

• Malachi 4:1-3

“For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.”​

• 2 Peter 2:6 NHEB

"...and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, having made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly.”​

• Psalms 68:2

"....as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God."

• Job 4:8-9

“Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same. By the blast of God they perish, and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed.”​

• Psalms 92:7 NLT

"Though the wicked sprout like weeds and evildoers flourish, they will be destroyed forever."​

• Deuteronomy 7:10

“And repays them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hates him, he will repay him to his face.”​

• Psalms 1:6

“For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.”​

• Matthew 10:28

“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell [i.e. Gehenna or Lake of Fire].”​

• Revelation 21:8

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

The Final Fate of the Wicked Also Includes the Annihilation or:

A. Destruction of the Devil:


• Isaiah 14:12, Isaiah 14:19

12 “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” 19 “....thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.”​

‭‭

• Ezekiel 28:14-15, Ezekiel 28:18

“Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.”

“Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.”
​

B. Destruction of the Entity Known As "Death":


• 1 Corinthians 15:26

“The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death”​

...

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That is about the still living wicked people when this old earth is to pass away. They will be beaten...cut asunder...before being cast into the lake of
fire. Once there..in Edom's land of burning pitch and brimstone...God will have indignation against them forever. Why be angry forever unless that is also how long their torment lasts?

Verses please.



...

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Here we see God is concerned with not seeing Adam being condemned to LIVE forever in his sin.

"...he must not reach out, take from the tree of life, eat, and live forever." (Genesis 3:22 HCSB).​

Meaning, God is against the concept of Eternal Torment.
I mean, why do you think God differientiates between the Resurrection of the Just and the Unjust? (Acts 24:15). It's because one bodily resurrection is without them having immortality. For it is only thru the gospel that one can have immortality.

2 Timothy 1:10 - "But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel."


...

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The immortality is as the resurrection body. It is what puts on incorruption.

sown a natural body...raised a spiritual body

As we have born the image of the earthly, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1 Corinthians 15:49

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

There are two resurrections for believers.
A spiritual body resurrection (like that of angels) and a physical flesh and blood bodily resurrection.

For man is made up of three parts.

1. Soul (Seat of the Mind, will, and emotions, etc.).
2. Spirit Body.
3. Physical Body.


When the Pre-Trib Rapture takes place, believers from out of Abraham's bosom will rise to meet the Lord in the air. The rest of the believers who are physically alive here upon this Earth will then be translated (not seeing death) and meet the Lord in the air. From this point, believers who die in the Lord will go straight to Heaven.

Anyways, the flesh and blood resurrection is called the first resurrection in the Bible and it is in two parts or two phases. The first one takes place right before the Millennium and the second one takes place right before the Judgment and the Final New Earth.



...

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The great tribulation will come and end, but this is not the hour that Jesus spoke of that is not known even by the angels of heaven. Daniel 12 shows that angels knew of the 1290 days and that at the end of it - Daniel will not be resting any longer. He will stand in his lot.

Luke 12:48, where it refers to stripes and being beaten is not for the known hour and day, but the unknown one that only God knows.

Luke 12:46
"...a day...an hour when he is not aware...will cut him asunder..."

Matthew 24:44 has "in such an hour as ye think not".
Matthew 24:51 "And shall cut him asunder..."

Matthew 24:35 sets the hour as when heaven and earth shall pass away.
"Heaven and earth shall pass away..."
Matthew 24:36
"...that day and hour knoweth no man...not the angels of heaven..."

All of chapter 25 is also set for this same time as it begins with "Then shall..."

heaven and earth shall pass away=that hour and day not known-the evil servants will be cut asunder/beaten...then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto...

cut asunder -cut in half -scourge severely

Luke 12 actually confirms that God is into fair justice and not into Eternal Torment.

47 "And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." (Luke 12:47-48).

The servant who knew God's will and did not do His will, shall be beaten with many stripes. The servant who did not know all of his will shall be beaten with few stripes. Yet, you are thinking God is going to keep beating them over and over and over and over and over and over and over again in some kind of Eternal Torment.

Also, cut asunder means that they are divided or separated to have their part with the unbelievers. It does not mean God is going to tear them to pieces or that He is going to cut them. It's a metaphor. Please read it in it's full context.

"The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." (Luke 12:46).

See. It says they will be cut (divided or separated) from the believers and have their portion with the unbelievers. That is what it is saying here. It is not talking about God actually cutting them. You have to do major gymnastics with the text in order for it to say that.



...

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Bible Highlighter]

It is impossible for there to be a rapture until the 7th trumpet has sounded-which is after the great tribulation has ended during the 6th seal of Revelation.

4th seal - the time of four corners
a time of more than one type of weapon
5th seal - great tribulation
6th seal - the stars of heaven fall - as Jesus Christ foretold happens after the tribulation.

Not going to argue that here.
I believe there are two raptures. Anyways, you can check out my points in Scripture for a Pre-Trib Rapture in my chronology here. But please realize it is a Pre-Trib Rapture only thread, though. Meaning, only Pre-Trib Rapture people can post there.


...

 

[Bible Highlighter]

No righteous people will die after the resurrection of the just/7th trumpet sounded.
1 Corinthians 15 shows that death is swallowed up in victory. Only death that ends without victory will be left to happen.

There shall be a resurrection of the just and of the unjust. //as in one time for each as a group

There will be a resurrection to life and one to damnation.
Paul wrote how he hope to attain unto the resurrection. He did not mean that miss that one of the just and later will be another one for the just.

Daniel will stand in his lot at the end of the 1290 days. This is what the NT refers to as the last day.
The last day -as in no more rising for the just.

The people at the 1335th day will not be allowed to go and rest, but must - wait and come to that day in order to be blessed.

I am not actually interested in debating the End Times.
But if you are open to being challenged, check out my End Times Chronology. If not, then have a great day.


...

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm