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"Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." (John 1)
Whatever hell is, God made it.
He thought this world up, and then He put it in action. There's no getting around that, and I don't think God needs anyone to "pass the buck" to.Then taking your theology to its natural conclusion then God made sin.
rotf.. Bingo "Through him all things were made"
Bingo! hell and sin and Death is not a thing he can hold together !
God did not creating nothing! man did !
God only created Things and holds all things together!
Hell is not a thing it is an absence and an authority men use to control other people !
He thought this world up, and then He put it in action. There's no getting around that, and I don't think God needs anyone to "pass the buck" to.
So did God make sin?
So did God make sin?
Therefore God did not make sin. Satan is the originator of "sin & death".
2 People (male and female)
1 Tempter
1 Forbidden tree
Put all ingredients into a garden and mix well.
Can you think of a better recipe for sin?
At any rate, there would be no sin if God had never said "Let there be..."
You are the one who said man made it...please guys read Romans!
now yes God did create the fire pit , a pit/footstool and you want to blame him for that?
2 People (male and female)
1 Tempter
1 Forbidden tree
Put all ingredients into a garden and mix well.
Can you think of a better recipe for sin?
When was Lucifer filled with violence because of the abundance of his trade (Ezekiel 28:16 and 18)? I don't think this passage is about him. Perhaps it is about the king of Tyre.Let me help you....
The answer is "no"!!!
Turn to Ez 28:12 'Thus says the Lord God: "You (Lucifer) were the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes Was prepared for you on the day you were created. 14 "You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones. 15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.
Clearly God created Lucifer perfect, full of wisdom and in perfect beauty, until iniquity was found in him.
Iniquity is the opposite of God's love. God's love is agape. Agape is a love that is not self-seeking. Iniquity is a love that is self-seeking. Iniquity therefore is based on the love of self and completely goes against God's self-emptying agape love.
Therefore God did not make sin. Satan is the originator of "sin & death".
2 Peter 2: "He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly."
Jude 1:7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
Sodom & Gomorrah are an example of what will happen to those who ultimately and persistently reject Christ.
Now, the question is, does God do the burning? Does God create "the lake of fire" - i.e., "fire and brimstone" that destroys the wicked?
When was Lucifer filled with violence because of the abundance of his trade (Ezekiel 28:16 and 18)? I don't think this passage is about him. Perhaps it is about the king of Tyre.
But even if it is, surely Lucifer did not will himself into existence. Somebody made him. And that somebody well aware of what would come next. (Unless you believe that God can be surprised by his own creation?)
I believe that it is excellent to read the Scriptures through the lens of Christ and his actions, just as you are doing here.What cities perished in the fires?
Deut 29:23 "the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboiim, which the LORD overthrew in fierce anger."
Notice that four cities were overthrown:
1] Sodom
2] Gomorrah
3] Adamah
4] Zeboiim
But why does God attribute these calamities to His doing?
Go to Luke 9:51 Now it came to pass, when the time had come for Him to be received up, that He (Jesus) steadfastly set His face to go to Jerusalem, 52 and sent messengers before His face. And as they went, they entered a village of the Samaritans, to prepare for Him. 53 But they did not receive Him, because His face was set for the journey to Jerusalem. 54 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?" 55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, "You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. 56 For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives but to save them." And they went to another village.
IF God came to save sinners, then why would He destroy them?
Go to Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. 24 Therefore God also gave them up....
So God's anger can be described as His reluctant departure from those who persistently reject Him. Why do I say reluctant? Well, did Jesus destroy the Samaritans because they would not receive Him? No!
Then why does He give those who persist in unbelief up? Because God's love cannot force or coerce. He never abandons anyone out of human anger.....Therefore divine anger is the reluctant departure from those who reject Him.
What cities perished in the fires?
1] Sodom
2] Gomorrah
3] Adamah
4] Zeboiim
Then why does He give those who persist in unbelief up? Because God's love cannot force or coerce. He never abandons anyone out of human anger.....Therefore divine anger is the reluctant departure from those who reject Him.
Ok, there's no need for us to dispute that, so we'll run with your view here.It's about both....
God created Luicfer perfect. No earthly King is made perfect.
Lucifer, after sometime, developed iniquity. God didn't create sin.
No, God knew Lucifer would rebel against His agape love....But He created him anyway. Why? The Bible doesn't say....
2 Peter 2: "He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly."
Jude 1:7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
Sodom & Gomorrah are an example of what will happen to those who ultimately and persistently reject Christ.
Now, the question is, does God do the burning? Does God create "the lake of fire" - i.e., "fire and brimstone" that destroys the wicked?
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