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Oh dear, he was giving an allegory not specific facts. We are not weeds.
why should I when I have repeatedly told you that the word became is not the problem with your argument?1
You're welcome to define the word became.
that wasn't the question...so stop claiming to have answered questions you don't even intend to answer.
why should I when I have repeatedly told you that the word became is not the problem with your argument?
thus the question, what works are we judged by....God gave us basic reasoning to understand what is good or evil. If we could not discern what is good and right, we could have never been able to accept Jesus and follow Him and His good ways.
Surely you would think it would be unjust or wrong to punish a child by torture in extreme amounts of pain for them stealing another child's toy. If that is the case, then surely you should understand that fair justice teaches us that God will punish people fairly according to what they have done and not by some mythological theory that we are sinning against God for all eternity (when we do not even own a time machine to do so). Eternal Torment is overkill in regards to justice and you know it deep down.
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no, rational deduction based on how many questions you have been asked and refused to answer, nothing more or less....iow's you have set up a pattern of behavior in your posts that we can use to predict that you will avoid answering any questions you find uncomfortable to your opinion.What, do you read minds too?
Once again that is your opinion. It is not God's thought. He thinks differently because he above all know the depths of the evil wickedness in a man's heart. You don't and can't understand it. It is as foreign,to you and me,as the understanding of eternal punishment or for that matter eternal reward. We don't understand. That's why we leave it in God's hands. He does understand and his judgements are true.God gave us basic reasoning to understand what is good or evil. If we could not discern what is good and right, we could have never been able to accept Jesus and follow Him and His good ways.
Surely you would think it would be unjust or wrong to punish a child by torture in extreme amounts of pain for them stealing another child's toy. If that is the case, then surely you should understand that fair justice teaches us that God will punish people fairly according to what they have done and not by some mythological theory that we are sinning against God for all eternity (when we do not even own a time machine to do so). Eternal Torment is overkill in regards to justice and you know it deep down.
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no, as you were shown and refused a rebuttal, the bosom of Abraham/hades and the lake of fire are not the same thing...in fact, according to scripture that I provided hades/bosom of Abraham are thrown into the lake of fire....nothing about the lake of fire being done away with that I know of, you are encouraged to show passages that show it is, but instead you resort to false accusations and restating your opinion as it you were god.
please show even one occurrence in scripture where a false prophet is not human...thanks
as I an others have shown you, this is referring to the believers not all humans or unbelievers, you can show your rebuttal, but just repeating what you believe is not a rebuttal.
Once again that is your opinion. It is not God's thought. He thinks differently because he above all know the depths of the evil wickedness in a man's heart. You don't and can't understand it. It is as foreign,to you and me,as the understanding of eternal punishment or for that matter eternal reward. We don't understand. That's why we leave it in God's hands. He does understand and his judgements are true.
Yes, Jesus is serious about sin---that is why He will totally do away with it. Both sin and sinner will be destroyed. Why should there be a problem with accepting eternal life with Jesus? He is life itself. He grants eternal life as a gift to the saved. He does not grant eternal life to the lost so that they can burn forever. There is not one single verse that says death is separation from God, not one. Like there is no verse that says the lost also get eternal life.
You seem to be ignoring my direct posts to you.
You have to define eternity the way God does, not the way you want to. The context is clear. People will experience eternal life or eternal suffering.
You seem to be ignoring my direct posts to you.
You have to define eternity the way God does, not the way you want to. The context is clear. People will experience eternal life or eternal suffering.
no, rational deduction based on how many questions you have been asked and refused to answer, nothing more or less....iow's you have set up a pattern of behavior in your posts that we can use to predict that you will avoid answering any questions you find uncomfortable to your opinion.
There are only 3 verses in my opinion that suggest ECT (and one verse that suggests burning in hell-fire) but even these verses do not make it a slam dunk in my opinion (Nor are there that many of these kinds of verses, either). Matthew 25:46 appears at first glance to teach eternal torment, but if we were to read the TYPE of punishment that is eternal here, by lookng at 2 Thessalonians 1:9, things become a little clearer. Then there is Luke 16:19-31. Sure sounds like the rich-man is being tortured. But is he? Does the story describe him screaming and that his flesh is sizzling? No. The rich-man is simply tormented by the heat of the flame in front of him in the great gulf between him and Abraham. What about Revelation 14:11 and Revelation 20:10? Well, the word "forever" does not always mean "forever" in the Bible. For we see the word "forever" clearly used in a temporal sense in Philemon 1:15. The word "forever" is also translated from the word "age", too. Revelation 14:11 is talking about those who worship the beast as not having rest while on the Earth. While Revelation 20:10 is talking about how the devil, and his two demonic minions will be tormented day and night (a set time) for the purpose of the ages of ages (i.e. they are tormented day and night because they tormented mankind for ages and ages). But even if you wanted to make Revelation 20:10 defend eternal torment, it still does not work because these are demons being tormented here and not humans.
In other words, I just took down ECT in one short paragraph. But if you were to try and do the same with Conditional Immortality, you will be spending a long time over the many verses that defends it.
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No, the reason I don't accept it is because I've studied it. I've look at how the words olam and aion are used in Scripture. A word can't have opposing meanings, that would defeat it's purpose, which is to communicate. You couldn't use a word to communicate that meant both yes and no. The words olam and aion are used of finite periods of time. As such they cannot mean both finite and infinite.
In your example you're reading your theology back into the definition. The Lake of Fire is not eternal. Ezekiel prophesied that Gehenna would be made holy to the Lord.
No, you didn't debunk Eternal Conscious Torment; you just convinced yourself you have. These arguments don't hold water and I already rebuked them.
I pray you endure in your faith to the end so you can enjoy eternal life and don't experience the eternal fire.
Regardless of whether you believe it, the Word is true and the wicked will dwell forever in the Lake of Fire. Such horror my sins deserve... but I thank the Lord for His mercy expressed to me and others in Adam's race--made possible because of Jesus' bitterly painful sacrifice.
You don't have to read the entire post, word by word, I highlighted the important points and provided context for those who would say that I quoted "out-of-context."God love brother but you have got to come up with a plan to shorten your comments. Such a long post causes me to not read it.
You don't have to read the entire post, word by word, I highlighted the important points and provided context for those who would say that I quoted "out-of-context."
But their sacrifices were not accepted by God, though.
Jesus is the only acceptable sacrifice now.
For there is no other name under heaven whereby men can be saved but Jesus.
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