The differences between OT Laws and NT Commandments

[denim]

"Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law to perform them." Deu 27:26

"If ye love me, keep my commandments" John 14:15

The OT Law brings along a curse for those who fail to fully obey the whole 660 laws.

While there is no such curse accompanying Christ commandments, we choose to obey because we love Him.

 

[Epoisses]

OT commandmnets can be performed by anyone with enough will power to not kill or not commit adultery or not steal. Atheists can keep these commandments all day long. NT commandments are on a whole different level. The two main new covenant commandments are Faith and Love. Unbelievers by their very name don't believe so faith is out and if thay have any love at all it's only human love or self love which is far different than God's agape love. Faith and Love are also different in the fact that we receive both as gifts from the Holy Spirit. So in a nutshell OT commandments are human centered while NT commandments are God centered.

 

[Barraco]

"Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law to perform them." Deu 27:26

"If ye love me, keep my commandments" John 14:15

The OT Law brings along a curse for those who fail to fully obey the whole 660 laws.

While there is no such curse accompanying Christ commandments, we choose to obey because we love Him.

Jews also recognize two dynamics of the Law: The jobs and the justices.

The jobs were things like tithes, circumcision, temple procedures, customs and courtesies, and sacrifices.

The justices were things like not robbing workers of their wages, forgiving debts during the Jubilee, and not seeking a fight with your neighbor.

Jesus addressed the difference in Matthew 23:23, insisting that the justices were weightier aspects of the Law than the jobs.

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." (Matthew 23:23 KJV)

So what Jesus did was expand the justices part of the Law. In this way, He fulfilled the Law.

Having fulfilled the Law, Jesus implemented a new law, which was really just as expansion of Leviticus 19:18.

"Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord." (Leviticus 19:18 KJV)

The New Law is the Law of Love, expanded by the teachings of Jesus. His teachings are the new commandments.

Worrrrrrd?

 

[Barraco]

I also noticed that Jesus took the curse of the Law (Deut. 28:15-68) on our behalf so that we could be justified before God and not cut off from His blessings.

The Jews that rejected Jesus took the curse of the Law on themselves, being chased and persecuted for over 2,000 years. They are still under the Old Law and are still subject to its curses.

 

[Mr Pickles]

Should Christians keep the fourth commandment to remember the Sabbath. and keep it holy .

sun set friday to sunset saturday ?

 

[bugkiller]

Should Christians keep the fourth commandment to remember the Sabbath. and keep it holy .

sun set friday to sunset saturday ?

No! it is not in the covenant Christians are subject to.

bugkiller

 

[Jake255]

The requirement of the law was fulfilled in us by Christ,

Romans 8:4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

This is great news! We are able to live out the law perfectly with Christ in us.

No Saturday day Sabbath for us, our Christ is our Sabbath, rest in Him ALL the time!

 

[Steve.Page]

There is no difference between an Old Testament command and a New Testament command. A command from the Lord is just that. The difference is that the Law of Moses was the Old Covenant and we are in the New Covenant which does require us to obey Christ and not the Law of Moses. “If you love me, keep my commands." John 14:15

Also it's not correct to say that there is no curse associated with disobeying Christ. We can see that if we continue to read the entire conversation that began in John 14 and continued into John 15.

"John 15:1 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5 I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples. 9 Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in My love. 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love."

Take note that Jesus is not talking to or about those who are not saved, the subject is "Every branch in Me." Those who are "in Christ" are in His body. We enter the body of Christ through faith, we remain by obedience. Thankfully the Lord provided a way for us to be forgiven when we fail to obey.

James 5:16
Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

The curse of the Law was nailed to the Cross, but don't be confused between the Law and obedience to Christ. The Law that Paul wrote about in Galatians was the Law of Moses. We can't be saved by obeying the Law of Moses, only by faith in and obedience to the Lord Jesus.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

Should Christians keep the fourth commandment to remember the Sabbath. and keep it holy .

sun set friday to sunset saturday ?

No! it is not in the covenant Christians are subject to.

bugkiller

The 10 Commandments are forever binding. They are quite literally set in stone, you see. There is nothing in the New Testament that transgresses against them, or even Islam for that matter, because they are the fundamental building blocks of Abrahamic morals.

However, context and the prospects of the Commandments have to be taken into account. Where it says 'thou shalt not kill' for example, it is speaking of murder.
The Sabbath is a holy day of rest and worship. The value of the commandment is only as good as it's prospects- if the holy day is a chore, then it does not serve it's purpose. It's not about the time, but the prospects of the event itself.

God is a god of reason, which is why He is noted as the Logos, or the logic. Technicalities such as the Sabbath day are merely argumentative.

 

[Barraco]

The 10 Commandments are forever binding. They are quite literally set in stone, you see.

So was God joking when He told Jeremiah that He would write His law on their hearts?

The new covenant is quite literally a NEW covenant.

There is nothing in the New Testament that transgresses against them, or even Islam for that matter, because they are the fundamental building blocks of Abrahamic morals.

The promises of God to Abraham came BEFORE the Law and are therefore not affected by the doing away of the old covenant. What Jesus taught was not the 10 commandments but rather an expansion on parts of Leviticus 19, which also includes the 'Golden Rule.' The Pharisees had mastered the Law on the outside, but not in their hearts. The Law that Jesus established was one over the heart.

However, context and the prospects of the Commandments have to be taken into account. Where it says 'thou shalt not kill' for example, it is speaking of murder.
The Sabbath is a holy day of rest and worship. The value of the commandment is only as good as it's prospects- if the holy day is a chore, then it does not serve it's purpose. It's not about the time, but the prospects of the event itself.

So if killing is a chore then we should stop killing. Same for lying? Paul was quite right when he said that the commandment causes sin to spring to life. So long as you live by the Old Law, you will not have eternal life. That is the point of the Law. It convicts unrighteousness. The Law isn't given to the righteous. If we are righteous because of Jesus, then we are OUTSIDE of the Law because it does not apply to those who are already righteous.

God is a god of reason, which is why He is noted as the Logos, or the logic. Technicalities such as the Sabbath day are merely argumentative.

Or the implication behind the Sabbath was to be expanded by a Teacher greater than Moses. And that teacher set a new Law which taught that righteousness was to be practiced on the Sabbath. The Sabbath was to be a day of rest and also RELIEF. Not only for man, but for all of creation. The land Israel inhabited never got relief because wickedness was practiced everyday among the people. The Jubilees were never observed and thus the poor never had relief. Jesus even healed a man on the Sabbath and the Pharisees would not give Him relief. Jesus taught all of this. He is the greater One whom Moses, the messenger of the Law, said would come after him.

The Law of Jesus is superior, as the author of Hebrews showed. The old Law was given by angels, who are inferior to Jesus. The new Law was given by the greatest name on earth, in heaven, and below. It is the Law of Jesus that we ought to respect.

If we turn back to the old Law, we place ourselves under its curse. Look what happened to Israel in 70 CE because they would not accept the sacrifice of Jesus by which He took the curse of the old Law on Himself. The Jews faced the curse (Deuteronomy 28:15-68) on themselves and suffered just as the curse said they would. Paul tried hard to make sure none of his listeners would put themselves under that curse. I hope his work was not in vain.

 

[Daniel Gregg]

"Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law to perform them." Deu 27:26

"If ye love me, keep my commandments" John 14:15

The OT Law brings along a curse for those who fail to fully obey the whole 660 laws.

While there is no such curse accompanying Christ commandments, we choose to obey because we love Him.

...your tradition does not agree with either Torah, Paul, or Christ.

If you curse the the brothers of Messiah who keep Torah because they keep torah and trust in Messiah, then why doesn't this apply to you? (don't answer this; it is just to encourage you to think).

NIV Matthew 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

26 Cursed be he that confirms not the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.


►27:26 confirms not: לֹא־יָקִים. The Hebrew יָקִים means to uphold or cause to be established, to cause to stand in the Hiphil. The LXX ἐμμενεῖ means to stand by, or stay with. The Torah does not mean to curse eveyone who does not measure up to perfection here. It only means to curse those who reject the Torah or those who will not confirm it is the will of Yăhwēh for life and practice. The specific curses listed starting in vs. 15 are aimed at serious transgressions; the Torah had no intention of enunciating a curse for sins of ignorance or circumstance

● The immediate object phrase אֶת־דִּבְרֵי הַתּוֹרָה־הַזֹּאת, the words of this Law, emphasize the focus on confirming what the Torah says, and the indirect object phrase לַעֲשׂוֹת אוֹתָם mean that confirming must include acknowledging that all the commandments are to be kept

● Psa119v106 is a good example: נִשְׁבַּעְתִּי וָאֲקַיֵּמָה לִשְׁמֹר מִשְׁפְּטֵי צִדְקֶךָ: I have sworn, and have confirmed to keep your just judgments. Also Num30v13: כָּל־נֵדֶר וְכָל־שְׁבֻעַת אִסָּר לְעַנֹּת נָפֶשׁ אִישָׁהּ יְקִימֶנּוּ וְאִישָׁהּ יְפֵרֶנּוּ: every vow, and every binding oath to afflict the soul, her husband may confirm or her husband may break; here we see a clear distinction between confirming that it should be done, and the actual doing of the vow. For the husband does not do the vow, but the wife does when he confirms it.

● Many have confused being cursed with being guilty of sin. Transgression and iniquity are the kinds of sins that result in the curse (עוֹן וָפֶשַׁ&#1506, Exo34v7, Exo20v6. All the lesser sins (שְׁגָגָ&#1492, called unwitting or ignorance make one guilty and need atonement, but they do not result in being accursed. עוֹן וָפֶשַׁע require repentance before forgiveness or in close connection to it, i.e. the sinner must cease from committing it; the lesser sins can exist in a person's life while they are in a state of grace. Thus being cursed is to say the person is outside a state of grace. Therefore, we say that the curse applies only to transgression and iniquity (עוֹן וָפֶשַׁ&#1506. Paul began Galatians by saying those who taught another good news were accursed, establishing that the word means one who is outside a state of grace. See Deu27v13, Gal3v13, Deu11v26, Deu21v23. It has the same meaning in the Torah, where clearly a state of grace also exists: Exo20v6: showing loving-kindness to thousands of them that love me and that keep my commandments. Paul did not bring up the curse to negate the effect of faithfulness in the Torah, or to redefine it. He brought it up for two reasons, 1. Because transgression requires Messiah for atonement, and 2. The false teachers had substituted works to pay for the transgression rather than the hope or reality of Messiah's payment, and thus were still subject to the curse effected by their transgression.

For as many as are trying to satisfy justice by the works of custom are under a curse; for it is written, Cursed is everyone who will not stand by all the things written in the scroll of the law, to perform them.†





►3:10 stand by: ἐμμενεῖ. See Deu27v26. See BDAG for stand by, def. 2, and def. 1, remain in. The idea expressed here is that of departing from the Torah, i.e. becoming an apostate, or of failure to stand by it, uphold it, or confirm that it is the Law indeed, and that it ought to be observed and kept. Paul quoted the passage because his adversaries were failing to stand by the prophesies of Messiah. They were departing from the truth, and thus became subject to the curse. The curse is not for failure to be perfect. The curse is for failure to be loyal to Messiah in upholding his law

● ὃς οὐκ ἐμμενεῖ: who will not stand by, who will not remain in; the tense is future, what is called a negative Volitive; the tense implies refusal to stand by the words of the Torah. Though the word ἐμμενεῖ is future in the LXX, the accents are changed in the NT to ἐμμένει, making the word present tense. This changes the meaning from a negative volition to a present observation, i.e. who is not actually keeping all the things in the Torah. There is no justification for this change other than the desire to expand the curse way beyond the context of the Torah.

As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is proclaiming to you a so called good news contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed.

 

[Steve.Page]

Where in scripture is the Law addressed to any one other than Israel?

 

[Daniel Gregg]

Where in scripture is the Law addressed to any one other than Israel?

But we know that as much as the Law is saying to those acting within the Law, it is [also] speaking so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may come under the just penalty to the Almĭghty.†

►3:19 in the Law: ἐν τῷ νόμῳ. Here we have a dative of sphere (cf. Wallace, Exegetical Syntax). The CJB has a similar sense, “those living within the framework of the Torah.” ● The translation “under the Law” is not correct due to the default theology attached to it, and further it leads the reader to think Paul means the same thing here as he meant in Rom. 6:14-15, where he actually does use the word “under”: ὑπὸ. The Greek here is different: ἐν τῷ νόμῳ. It is indeed possible for the phrase ὑπὸ νόμον to have a positive sense, as it does in Gal. 4:5, “those subject to law,” where it means those subjectively submitting to lawfulness. ● Paul’s statement observes that the judgement of the Torah applies to the whole world. And this judgment is not some general notion of judgment disconnected from the particular commandments of the Torah. For he says, “as much as the Law is saying...so that every mouth may be closed.” Paul does not say, *except those parts that are abolished* or some such thing.

 

[Steve.Page]

Within the context of Romans we know that not everyone had the Law.
2:12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

Also there is no place in the Old Covenant where the Law was given to Gentiles or where Gentiles were held to the Law.

 

[Daniel Gregg]

God will still judge the whole world with the law (Rom. 3:19).
If non-Jews are judged by the law, then they will not be judged for observing it.

Within the context of Romans we know that not everyone had the Law.
2:12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

Also there is no place in the Old Covenant where the Law was given to Gentiles or where Gentiles were held to the Law.

 

[denim]

God will still judge the whole world with the law (Rom. 3:19).
If non-Jews are judged by the law, then they will not be judged for observing it.

This is your own presumption. The Bible does not say this. It says if you choose to follow the Law, you are under a curse irrespective if you are Jew or Gentile.

 

[Lilly Owl]

"Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law to perform them." Deu 27:26

"If ye love me, keep my commandments" John 14:15

The OT Law brings along a curse for those who fail to fully obey the whole 660 laws.

While there is no such curse accompanying Christ commandments, we choose to obey because we love Him.

How is there 660 laws of God?
I thought there were 613 laws of God.

 

[denim]

How is there 660 laws of God?
I thought there were 613 laws of God.

You are right. It is 613 not 660

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Lilly Owl

How is there 660 laws of God?
I thought there were 613 laws of God.
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You are right. It is 613 not 660

That appears to be correct.
There is an interesting lenghthy discussion on here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7550155-101/
Do you agree that Christians should obey all 613 commandments?

Originally Posted by SummaScriptura

I put this one together using reftagger. I copied it from Wiki but added the function of reftagger. Hover your mouse over each verse citation to read it without clicking it. Very educational and should be wonderful for those who wish to wallow in the Law...

613 Laws of the Old Testament
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[AnonUser2013]

600 or 613 or 660 or 350 - we cant remember and keep them all and thats the point. If we break one, we break em all. Is God pleased if we try to keep them all (which we cant logically because theres no temple and we dont have the same judicial system) or is he pleased by Faith in the finished work of the Christ and when we live by the Spirit?