The Devil made me do it?

[Anthony]

That is an interesting concept but here is something to chew on.. some of those people like mary magdalene for instance were believers before were they not? if so then how could believers be possessed with a devil.. I say there must be something else to this and those who say oppression are right on. For those who say those with demons have a choice..

Are all cutters demon possessed? And why are cutters for the most part only teenage girls? Also are cutters non-Christians?

PS-Cutter is the comman name used to discribe the behavior pattern seen in 10% of teenage girls who cut themselves mainly on the upper shoulder and ankles.

http://health.discovery.com/premiers/cutters/articles/main_bar.html

 

[Lottedah]

Teenaged girls are more susceptible to the occult than any other age and gender due to their imbalanced emotions and hormones. I dont know ANY teenaged girls who do it for attention either.. I know one who has a blood demon and about ten who do it uncontrollably and then there are some who turn their anger and frusteration onto themselves rather than hurt the people around them.. Are you serious about learning sir or do you just like to divide and conquer the charismatics? Why sit and argue about something you have no personal experience or word of knowledge on.. Go find jesus instead of always trying to divide.. your questions are fishy and I think you are more on here to tear down and argue than learn.

And in the bible the man who cut himself with the stones was demonpossessed.. human flesh our emotions are selfish without God but we arent murderous or hateful toward ourselves..the only hate toward ourselves that could indwell SO deeply to hurt ourselves is demonic.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Are all cutters demon possessed? And why are cutters for the most part only teenage girls? Also are cutters non-Christians?

PS-Cutter is the comman name used to discribe the behavior pattern seen in 10% of teenage girls who cut themselves mainly on the upper shoulder and ankles.

http://health.discovery.com/premiers/cutters/articles/main_bar.html

Anthony,

I shy away from the word possessed. However, I do feel there is demonic enfluence.

I don't know that I can say this right, but I will try.

Besides our sins being forgiven and and all things being made new, as believers, we have a tremendous amount of authority over the enemy. What I have seen though, is that many do not understand what they are freed from and continue to "walk" as if still in bondage to it instead of the freedom that Christ's death and resurrection paid for.

The enemy comes to kill, steal, and destroy. . .any life he can. If a person does not understand what was done for them and the weapons of spiritual warfare that is given them to use, then they are easily beat up, frequently, at their own hands.

I believe that we, as His children, can overcome our enemy. We can turn our ears to HIS voice instead. But too many do not know how to do that. As one scripture says, "My people perish, for lack of knowledge".

Quaffer

 

[Anthony]

Teenaged girls are more susceptible to the occult than any other age and gender due to their imbalanced emotions and hormones. I dont know ANY teenaged girls who do it for attention either.. I know one who has a blood demon and about ten who do it uncontrollably and then there are some who turn their anger and frusteration onto themselves rather than hurt the people around them..

I have been working with teenagers and their parents for over a year and half. Most have drug and alcohol problems. But there are always several girls at any point in time who are cutters. satan and his demons have an easier time with the weak. But being a cutter is not mean they are dealing in the occult or have demonic possession of their bodies or blood.

Are you serious about learning sir or do you just like to divide and conquer the charismatics? Why sit and argue about something you have no personal experience or word of knowledge on.. Go find jesus instead of always trying to divide.. your questions are fishy and I think you are more on here to tear down and argue than learn.

What?

What does discussion issues have to do with dividing and conquering charismatics? Using your logic anything which is contrary to your opinion is dividing?

And in the bible the man who cut himself with the stones was demon possessed.. human flesh our emotions are selfish without God but we arent murderous or hateful toward ourselves..the only hate toward ourselves that could indwell SO deeply to hurt ourselves is demonic.

hmm - what is the bible verse in which a man cuts himself with stones, and was demon possesed.

 

[Lottedah]

The verse where jesus casts his demons into the pigs.. thats nice to overgeneralize and say its always alcohol and drugs.. I never said possession I said oppression.
I am wondering how many of these girls you work with arent telling you the whole truth of what they are into either.. because its a major incidence of at least playing with witchcraft in teen girls today.. In fact out of my fifty plus teen girls and some guys I would say over 85% of them have been seriously into witchcraft and playing with vampirism and the worse most of them have played with is the ouija board which is a gateway into the demonic world..
And drugs and drunkeness open you up to the occult realm too. No, anthony disagreeing with my beliefs isnt dividing.. continually fighting and stating your ill facts and wrong percentages and weird doctorine to everyone on other threads off and on the last six months.. is.
No cutters usually sit and cut their legs and arms lightly, like with their nails, or a safety pin or tack some use knives.. Or their stomachs, upper thighs, upper arms where it cant be seen by others. I asked one of my girls about shoulders and she laughed and said no.. then i wouldnt be able to see the blood.
The best way to drive an already OPPRESSED and depressed and usually mutliating or suicidal teen is to tell them its cuz they drink and they want attention.
I dont know how to put it any plainer than that..
The demon the girl with the blood issue had wasnt IN her blood It called itself "blood".. it was an unnatural obsession to watch bloody movies and cut herself and drink her blood he had been with her since she played with a ouija board and got a bloody nose when she was five during it.. She was delivered of it and is learning spiritual warfare and how to fight back..thats the foundation you should be teaching those girls.. prayer and rebuking.
My example was to show their hatred they feel toward themselves is demonic.
The only way to set them free is to show them mercy and jesus not to sit and question their motives because their sins are none of our business to judge or question.. all that matters is they are freed.

 

[Anthony]

The verse where jesus casts his demons into the pigs.. And in the bible the man who cut himself with the stones was demon possessed

That verse does deal with two men who were demon possessed, but you said they were cutting themselves, where in the verses did you find that?

LK 8:27-39
When Jesus stepped ashore, he was met by a demon-possessed man from the town. For a long time this man had not worn clothes or lived in a house, but had lived in the tombs. When he saw Jesus, he cried out and fell at his feet, shouting at the top of his voice, "What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, don't torture me!" For Jesus had commanded the evil spirit to come out of the man. Many times it had seized him, and though he was chained hand and foot and kept under guard, he had broken his chains and had been driven by the demon into solitary places.

Jesus asked him, "What is your name?"
"Legion," he replied, because many demons had gone into him. And they begged him repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss.

A large herd of pigs was feeding there on the hillside. The demons begged Jesus to let them go into them, and he gave them permission.When the demons came out of the man, they went into the pigs, and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and was drowned.

When those tending the pigs saw what had happened, they ran off and reported this in the town and countryside, and the people went out to see what had happened. When they came to Jesus, they found the man from whom the demons had gone out, sitting at Jesus' feet, dressed and in his right mind; and they were afraid. Those who had seen it told the people how the demon-possessed man had been cured. Then all the people of the region of the Gerasenes asked Jesus to leave them, because they were overcome with fear. So he got into the boat and left.

The man from whom the demons had gone out begged to go with him, but Jesus sent him away, saying, "Return home and tell how much God has done for you." So the man went away and told all over town how much Jesus had done for him.

I am wondering how many of these girls you work with arent telling you the whole truth of what they are into either.. because its a major incidence of at least playing with witchcraft in teen girls today.. In fact out of my fifty plus teen girls and some guys I would say over 85% of them have been seriously into witchcraft and playing with vampirism and the worse most of them have played with is the ouija board which is a gateway into the demonic world..
And drugs and drunkeness open you up to the occult realm too. No, anthony disagreeing with my beliefs isnt dividing.. continually fighting and stating your ill facts and wrong percentages and weird doctorine to everyone on other threads off and on the last six months.. is.
No cutters usually sit and cut their legs and arms lightly, like with their nails, or a safety pin or tack some use knives.. Or their stomachs, upper thighs, upper arms where it cant be seen by others. I asked one of my girls about shoulders and she laughed and said no.. then i wouldnt be able to see the blood.

Hmmm??

...The late Princess Diana's word's shocked the world when she admitted in a television interview that she intentionally cut her arms and legs and had thrown herself down a flight of stairs on more than one occasion...
http://www.coolnurse.com/self-injury.htm



When I talk about cutters it is using commonly accepted definitions. This article explains the stats, causes, reasons, and treatments

http://health.discovery.com/premiers/cutters/articles/main_bar.html



Teens in Crisis: Cutting on the RiseBy Donna Engelgau


Self-harm takes many forms. Eating disorders like anorexia, hair-pulling and burning are some of the conditions that co-exist with cutting. All, say health-care professionals, are ways of gaining control over the body.

The statistics look like this: cutting, 72 percent; self-hitting, 30 percent; hair-pulling, 22 percent; bone breaking, 10 percent and burning, 5 percent. The majority of self-injurers are women. A 1986 survey compiled this "portrait" of a typical self-injurer: She's in her mid-20s to early 30s and has been hurting herself since her teens. She tends to be middle- or upper-middle class, intelligent, well educated and has a background of physical and/or sexual abuse, or is from a home with at least one alcoholic parent.

No, anthony disagreeing with my beliefs isnt dividing.. continually fighting and stating your ill facts and wrong percentages and weird doctorine to everyone on other threads off and on the last six months.. is.

Ill facts, weird doctrine?



Do some research
http://www.familyforumonline.com/magazine/2002_winter/cutting.shtml
http://www.focusas.com/SelfInjury.html
http://www.boonebraves.ocps.net/2001/newspaper6a/newspaper1c.htm
http://www.coolnurse.com/self-injury.htm
http://yhspatriot.yorktown.arlington.k12.va.us/~wwheeler/cutter.htm

 

[Lottedah]

umm the only water your arguement holds is that i forgot to put a comma after my NO!, cutters (followed by fact)
I am not saying "NO CUTTERS do this blah blah).. all you did was call attention to my grammatical error and take it the wrong way in your desire to hold out an argument that is long dead because there is no logical arguing with you.

 

[Lottedah]

Your how old 49? and your arguing with a 20 yr old minister who is out on the field helping the depressed girls and setting them free with jesus? Who USED TO DO IT HERSELF.. I think you need to do some research on how 49 yr old supposed Godly men are supposed to act. And its not petty arguments where you run on a sentence with a grammatical error. You are probably one of the social workers type or youth group leaders who my girls complain about that dont listen or really love them.

 

[Anthony]

The verse where jesus casts his demons into the pigs.. And in the bible the man who cut himself with the stones was demon possessed.

In the story there is NO man cutting himself.

 

[look]

Anthony, you need to come off that pedestal of arrogance and humble yourself. If you had merely taken the time to examine this, you would have found this. This does not make you look good. I bet Lottedah was right when she said. "You are probably one of the social workers type or youth group leaders who my girls complain about that dont listen or really love them."

Mark 5

1. And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
2. And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
3. Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
4. Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
5. And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.

 

[Lottedah]

anthony in one story THERE IS A DEMON POSSESSED LITTLE BOY WHOSE DEMONS TRY TO THROW HIM IN THE FIRE OR DROWN HIM ALL THE TIME..
I dont want to fight with you I want your eyes and heart opened so you can be more of a blessing to these kids you counsel.
Please just listen to the voice of experience.

 

[Anthony]

Anthony, you need to come off that pedestal of arrogance and humble yourself. If you had merely taken the time to examine this, you would have found this. This does not make you look good. I bet Lottedah was right when she said. "You are probably one of the social workers type or youth group leaders who my girls complain about that dont listen or really love them."



Look

Thanks for giving me the "passage" on that verse.

As far as the pedestal? I was giving additional information. While I do not totally agree with her comments, my presentation of information was looked upons as an attack, and somehow this as become personal. Calling my information "ill stats" and my comments "wierd doctrine"? What's up with that?
What's up with the name calling? Who cast the first stone here?

 

[Lottedah]

Why I said ill stats and weird doctorine? Because some of your stats and doctorine are weird. I am speaking of a generalization of my past fights with you too.. You need to do alot of praying and asking God to reveal the issues of your heart to yourself. Because I dont find this worth it to battle you.. Lord rip the scales off his eyes.
Theres my final word or closing statement.

 

[look]

Anthony, I'm sorry if I offended you, but the point you're missing is, Lottedah speaks from supernatural experience and all you have (unknowingly) to offer is natural (worldly) experience. You are using the wrong authority to perform your ministry by operating in the natural intellect (worldly), instead of the supernatural spirit realm (like Jesus)...

Peace and wisdom from God, to you Anthony...

 

[Anthony]

Anthony, I'm sorry if I offended you, but the point you're missing is, Lottedah speaks from supernatural experience and all you have (unknowingly) to offer is natural (worldly) experience. You are using the wrong authority to perform your ministry by operating in the natural intellect (worldly), instead of the supernatural spirit realm (like Jesus)...

Peace and wisdom from God, to you Anthony...

Remember it's all of God's creation, that "natual world" is also part of God's original creation. There is balance between the natural and the supernatural. Every discovery man has made, has been under God's watchfull eye and plan. Nature is supernatural, all of creation is supernatural. Medical Science is man's discovery of God's creation.

PS- you didn't offend me; we can't and shouldn't always agree.

PR 27:17
As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.

 

[look]

PS- you didn't offend me; we can't and shouldn't always agree.

Why not???

 

[ydouxist]

Why not???

I agree.

If we hear from the same Spirit why wouldn't we be in one accord? When Paul pointed out Peters error what happened?

"Why not be wronged why not rather be cheated
If you must always be right you're already defeated"

 

[Anthony]

I agree . . . if we were always hearing from the spirit, we would always agree.

But the fact there is a Christianforums.com which is packed with debates seems to indicate we don't always agree.

 

[look]

Remember it's all of God's creation, that "natual world" is also part of God's original creation.

Not so...The moment Adam sinned, the whole of the world was twisted by sin, just (snap of fingers) like that. Besides, the flood signaled another massive change to the world. The world is not in it's original state from creation...

There is balance between the natural and the supernatural.

If there was, it would have been during the time from creation up to the time of Adam's sin. Remember, God would come and visit with Adam and Eve. There is not a balance now in the world between the natural and the supernatural. Just listen to all of the reports from around the world of what God is doing...but sadly, in the western world, we focus on the natural (physical) and ignore the supernatural.One more thing, we were commanded to "raise the dead, cast out demons and heal the sick in Jesus' Name". This actually happens where the people haven't been exposed to the naturalistic training we have been exposed to. Whose idea was that?

Every discovery man has made, has been under God's watchfull eye and plan.

But not in God's plan. Look at the tower of Babel. Obviously the fallen angels had given fallen man inventions which were designed to corrupt the man even further. Did God give man the idea of killing? Did God give man the idea of false gods, complete with names and religious practices? Back to our present time...Did God teach man biological warfare? How about evolution? I could go and on, but I hope you get the idea...

Nature is supernatural, all of creation is supernatural. Medical Science is man's discovery of God's creation.

Another thing, medicine didn't come from God, He provided healing for us, even from the beginning...

You are too focused on the natural things and fallen man's ideas. look up to Jesus for the answers, not man's...

That is the difference between you and Lottedah. She operates in the supernatural, as we are commanded to...What are you going to say when Jesus asks you why you didn't use His ways and why you didn't walk in the Spirit?

 

[Andrew]

Nature is supernatural, all of creation is supernatural.

You mean supernaturally created by a supernatural creator God. Yes agreed.

But the earth is not the supernatural realm. If it was, we wldnt be exhorted to walk in the Spirit instead of by sight.

While we live this life in a natural environment, we are supposed to operate on a supernatural plane. eg in the natural, you may have a fever, but in the supernatural, you are healed. You can then either walk in the former or the latter. We are supposed to walk in the latter.