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[SelfSim]

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Such was a common occurrence in the days of vacuum tubes (filled with ionized gasses - plasma). Just how do you think we converted DC to AC before the advent of solid state circuitry?????????

Why we used vacuum tubes filled with plasma.

The link speaks of conversion from AC to DC .. not the inversion of DC to AC.

I seriously doubt whether Justa has any understanding of the differences between AC and DC and what it takes to convert DC to AC based on his nonsense posts, anyway.

DC to AC conversion became simple with the advent of switching transistors. Before then, it was most certainly not simple and entire motor generator sets were usually called for.

 

[SelfSim]

Can I suggest you actually read the articles you post. Yes there is plasma present around the earth. However, vacuum tubes and the circuit to create an inverter requires a few more components and some specific structure.

Hi 'Mainframes';

... Not to mention the fine tuning needed in circuit design in order to achieve the desired result.

The question for Justa would seem to be:

"Who does the fine tuning of his double or triple plasma layers ... in order to achieve his desired result?"

It would seem this occurs deep within Justa's convoluted visions, eh?

 

[lesliedellow]

Such was a common occurrence in the days of vacuum tubes (filled with ionized gasses - plasma). Just how do you think we converted DC to AC before the advent of solid state circuitry?????????

I wonder where Justa thinks vacuum tubes got their name from?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I wonder where Justa thinks vacuum tubes got their name from?

I'm wondering where you think they did.

They got it from the study of electric discharges in gasses.

http://electric-cosmos.org/PrimerAboutGD.pdf

Electric discharge in gases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Vacuum tube - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe if you understood the source, you might find the answer you seek.

But we both know you are going to ignore that too.

Because you consistently ignore the facts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_heater#AC_to_DC_rectifier
"The inverter converts the DC supply to a single phase AC output at the relevant frequency. This features the SCR, IGBT or MOSFETS and in most cases is configured as an H-bridge. The H-bridge has four legs each with a switch, the output circuit is connected across the centre of the devices. When the relevant two switches are closed current flows through the load in one direction, these switches then open and the opposing two switches close allowing current to flow in the opposite direction. By precisely timing the opening and closing of the switches, it is possible to sustain oscillations in the load circuit."

http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/rsi/12/10/10.1063/1.1769787


http://www.google.com/patents/US7916507


But go ahead, tell me how this cannot be done in your fantasies.

 

[MikeCarra]

Hmmm, somehow we started off with a polymorph of olivine and are now discussing vacuum tubes.

Looks like pretty serious DERAILING of the thread.

 

[lesliedellow]

I'm wondering where you think they did.

They got it from the study of electric discharges in gasses.

No idiot. They got it from the fact that vacuum tubes contain, um, a vacuum. No plasma, no gases.

"The inverter converts the DC supply to a single phase AC output at the relevant frequency. This features the SCR, IGBT or MOSFETS and in most cases is configured as an H-bridge. The H-bridge has four legs each with a switch, the output circuit is connected across the centre of the devices. When the relevant two switches are closed current flows through the load in one direction, these switches then open and the opposing two switches close allowing current to flow in the opposite direction. By precisely timing the opening and closing of the switches, it is possible to sustain oscillations in the load circuit."

But go ahead, tell me how this cannot be done in your fantasies.

Now what the hell has that load of bovine excrement got to do with anything?

Such was a common occurrence in the days of vacuum tubes (filled with ionized gasses - plasma). Just how do you think we converted DC to AC before the advent of solid state circuitry?????????

We did it then, the same way we do it now - a tuned circuit with positive feedback, and a transformer to get the voltage we want.

 

[Mainframes]

We never said vacuum tubes couldn't be used within an inverter circuit but we did say that your space plasma does not replicate this ability.

Therefore there is no induction heating of the earth.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

We never said vacuum tubes couldn't be used within an inverter circuit but we did say that your space plasma does not replicate this ability.

And you would know this based upon what experiments????????

Apparently NASA understood in 2012 that plasma was finally going to be studied in space after over 100+ years of studying it in the laboratory.

NASA - The Electric Atmosphere: Plasma Is Next NASA Science Target

So please provide the paper where this is explicitly stated? I expect to wait for eternity for this paper.

Therefore there is no induction heating of the earth.

Based upon pure denial of course their isn't.

But you use that very same process in your Fairie Dust Dynamo theory.

The Dynamo Process

http://gji.oxfordjournals.org/content/127/2/339.full.pdf

You use that very induction heating to explain what your tidal and radioactive sources can not explain. You are just in a state of denial and living in Fairie Dust land.

 

[lesliedellow]

And you would know this based upon what experiments????????

The experiment in which Michael Faraday placed a magnet next to an electrical conductor to see if a current would thereby be induced, and none was. At least, not until he moved it. So I suppose that is Faraday down the chute now, along with Einstein and Newton.

 

[Mainframes]

Sorry Justa but there is just no mechanism present to cause heat induction. It simply isn't there.

If you can actually demonstrate the mechanics of induction heating of the earth along with empirical evidence and data then we will be convinced.

Please note your generic hand waving evidence of 'there's plasma so it works' will not cut it. That would be like saying there's water in beer therefore the ocean is a giant beer.....

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hmmm, somehow we started off with a polymorph of olivine and are now discussing vacuum tubes.

Looks like pretty serious DERAILING of the thread.

Whenever justa is caught really putting his foot in his mouth he will go to great lengths to derail the topic rather than admit that he was wrong. This is one reason that justa never learns anything.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Hmmm, somehow we started off with a polymorph of olivine and are now discussing vacuum tubes.

Looks like pretty serious DERAILING of the thread.

Because your Fairie Dust brethren wanted to play with magical perpetual motion machines spinning in the earth's core for 4+ billion years against friction.

They don't want to talk science, they want to talk Fairie Dust.

 

[lesliedellow]

Because your Fairie Dust brethren wanted to play with magical perpetual motion machines spinning in the earth's core for 4+ billion years against friction.

They don't want to talk science, they want to talk Fairie Dust.

Ignoring Faraday''s Law doubtless represents the very cutting edge of science, in the fantasy, never never, universe Justa alone lives in.

Radioactive decay generates about 20 Terrawatts of power in the Earth's mantle. Some of that is radiated into space, and the rest goes to drive convection currents in the planet's iron core.

 

[MikeCarra]

Because your Fairie Dust brethren wanted to play with magical perpetual motion machines spinning in the earth's core for 4+ billion years against friction.

They don't want to talk science, they want to talk Fairie Dust.

YOU posted an article about a mineral phase in the mantle. YOU seem to be the one directly responsible for derailing this thread.

Ringwoodite has nothing to do with plasma cosmology.

Sorry.

I think we all see your game.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

YOU posted an article about a mineral phase in the mantle. YOU seem to be the one directly responsible for derailing this thread.

Ringwoodite has nothing to do with plasma cosmology.

Sorry.

I think we all see your game.

Electric theory has everything to do with it.

Electromagnetism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The electromagnetic force is the one responsible for practically all the phenomena one encounters in daily life above the nuclear scale, with the exception of gravity."

you can't even discuss chemistry without talking about the electric forces at work.


Chemical bond - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"A chemical bond is an attraction between atoms that allows the formation of chemical substances that contain two or more atoms. The bond is caused by the electrostatic force of attraction between opposite charges, either between electrons and nuclei, or as the result of a dipole attraction."

Don't you understand any chemistry????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb's_law

 

[MikeCarra]

Electric theory has everything to do with it.

Take a mineralogy class.

"The electromagnetic force is the one responsible for practically all the phenomena one encounters in daily life above the nuclear scale, with the exception of gravity."

-sigh-

No one is denying that electrostatics and electricity exists. Plasma Cosmology has NOTHING to do with minerals.

You don't even seem capable of discussing minerals at all, let alone not derailing your own thread into Plasma Cosmology.

you can't even discuss chemistry without talking about the electric forces at work.

So does that mean that every time I mention a mineral you can start talking about how fluorescent lights work? Or how the telephone rings?

Chemical bond - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LOLOLOLOLOL. Sorry, I have to laugh. I'm a professional research chemist. I'm hardly WOWED by Wikipedia pages on chemical bonds!

Don't you understand any chemistry????

As I said no one is denying that electrostatic charges exist, but this whole plasma cosmology derailment is no more applicable than if I were to start talking about how an electric cattle fence works.

If you would like to somehow re-imagine your thread along the lines of the bonds in any given element you are free to do so!

But you are so far away from understanding the basics of minerals that you would have to get a lot of training first.

Look at the earlier request from another geologist on this board asking you to identify the mineral with water in its structure.

And look at how you DODGED answering it.

You can plug in a toaster =/= you understand minerals.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Look at the earlier request from another geologist on this board asking you to identify the mineral with water in its structure.

And look at how you DODGED answering it.

You can plug in a toaster =/= you understand minerals.

You better go recheck the posts, both Olivine and Ringwood were brought up by me, not you.

So let's talk about what makes both those minerals and water possible, shall we? Or are you afraid to get into a debate about the molecular structure of minerals?

Go ahead, explain to us what causes chemical bonds, I am dying to hear your description of an electrostatic event described without electrostatics. I know you wont be using any chemistry books to support your viewpoint.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

As I said no one is denying that electrostatic charges exist, but this whole plasma cosmology derailment is no more applicable than if I were to start talking about how an electric cattle fence works.

And talking about dust, gas and solids in a universe 99% plasma is idiotic, but that's all you can seem to do. Tell me Mr. Chemist, what do we use to describe plasma in the laboratory??????


About the only chemistry you have done is the chemistry you did when 8 and got a child's chemistry set.

Please, provide your own link to what you consider acceptable chemistry, and that's where we will start. Unless you are scared of course. You complain about Wiki, then never provide any links you are willing to accept. Not scared of being pinned down are you?????

 

[Mainframes]

No-one is trying to get out of explaining chemistry without electrostatic forces as that we all know that chemistry is driven almost wholly by electrical attraction and repulsion.

What we are arguing is the fact that you try and explain the universe using electricity when it just isnt applicable. Just because there is a plasma present, and in most of the universe this plasma is so disperse that it cannot offer any discernible effect, does not mean that there is a flow of current.

A cloud of plasma will exhibit just as much repulsive forces as it does attractive and this is why it's use as an explaination of galactic revolution is flawed.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

No-one is trying to get out of explaining chemistry without electrostatic forces as that we all know that chemistry is driven almost wholly by electrical attraction and repulsion.

What we are arguing is the fact that you try and explain the universe using electricity when it just isnt applicable. Just because there is a plasma present, and in most of the universe this plasma is so disperse that it cannot offer any discernible effect, does not mean that there is a flow of current.

A cloud of plasma will exhibit just as much repulsive forces as it does attractive and this is why it's use as an explaination of galactic revolution is flawed.

You mean it will do so when you use math for solids, liquids and gasses and talk about a universe that is emitting in all frequencies of EM as being neutral?

You mean in your warped fantasies where plasma behaves like solids, liquids and gasses, when the science says it behaves electrically and nothing like those "neutral" solids, liquids and gasses??

Galactic rotation curves exactly match the plasma physics model, because surprise, it's plasma.

You mean rotation, a natural consequence of electrical interactions?

The Lorentz Force



And it is this process:

Marklund convection - (The Plasma Universe Wikipedia-like Encyclopedia)


Which leads to the formation of matter and it's zoning aspects we see in planetary systems, formed from that process.

The sun, nothing but a plasma pinch, worked with for decades in plasma laboratories (in the hunt for sustained nuclear fusion). Plasma is the only hope.

A plasma you do not use gravitational formulas (balanced electromagnetic and magnetic fields), but is based on MHD and quantum electrodynamics. Which are both in accord with Special Relativity.

But then again Special Relativity does not consider gravity either.