The Deep

[Justatruthseeker]

What were people saying about the stupidity of claiming the waters of the deep being opened up during Noah's flood and how such would be impossible, such vast underground water sources?

Massive 'ocean' discovered towards Earth's core - environment - 12 June 2014 - New Scientist

 

[Archaeopteryx]

From the article (emphasis added):

The huge size of the reservoir throws new light on the origin of Earth's water. Some geologists think water arrived in comets as they struck the planet, but the new discovery supports an alternative idea that the oceans gradually oozed out of the interior of the early Earth.

"It's good evidence the Earth's water came from within," says Steven Jacobsen of Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois. The hidden water could also act as a buffer for the oceans on the surface, explaining why they have stayed the same size for millions of years.

 

[juvenissun]

What were people saying about the stupidity of claiming the waters of the deep being opened up during Noah's flood and how such would be impossible, such vast underground water sources?

Massive 'ocean' discovered towards Earth's core - environment - 12 June 2014 - New Scientist

Thanks. Seismology is really getting somewhere today. The idea is not new. But somehow it is amazing that the water content could be seen by seismic waves.

One correction on the title of this layman-written article. It has little to do with the core of the earth. It is in the upper mantle. Or, more likely, the whole mantle.

 

[Heissonear]

What were people saying about the stupidity of claiming the waters of the deep being opened up during Noah's flood and how such would be impossible, such vast underground water sources?

Massive 'ocean' discovered towards Earth's core - environment - 12 June 2014 - New Scientist

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This news is from a study by reseachers from Northwestern University and New Mexico. Interesting "diomond cell" used by Jacobsen for visual instrumental analysis of mineral phase changes by Jaconsen at Northwestern and the exotic seismic USarray data research from Schmandt from New Mexico have evaluated the H2O/OH molecular absorption in ringwoodite and olivine in the middle mantle - the earths region that shows the "fluid" seismic behavior scientists have wondered about. The researchers have provided very plausible geophysical and geochemical conclusions tying their research together.

And yes, God is Wondrous in how He initially setup the waters of the deep, the state, location, and equilibrium these waters had prior to the world destroying Flood of Noahs day!

Let the naysayers promote science that they think proves the Bible wrong. It is their quest on this forum, but they have a lot more to learn before they can make such definitive conclusions. Their earlier conclusions are mere speculations and interpretations with what little data they have.

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[juvenissun]

From the article (emphasis added):

We do not know that. Diamond bearing kimberlite came up to the surface from a few hundred kilometers below in just a few hours (?). If the water can be accumulated direction at the top of the asthenosphere, then it could erupt in minutes.

 

[juvenissun]

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This news is from a study by reseachers from Northwestern University and New Mexico. Interesting "diomond cell" used by Jacobsen for visual instrumental analysis of mineral phase changes by Jaconsen at Northwestern and the exotic seismic USarray data research from Schmandt from New Mexico have evaluated the H2O/OH molecular absorption in ringwoodite and olivine in the middle mantle - the earths region that shows the "fluid" seismic behavior scientists have wondered about. The researchers have provided very plausible geophysical and geochemical conclusions tying their research together.

And yes, God is Wondrous in how He initially setup the waters of the deep, the state, location, and equilibrium these waters had prior to the world destroying Flood of Noahs day!

Let the naysayers promote science that they think proves the Bible wrong. It is their quest on this forum, but they have a lot more to learn before they can make such definitive conclusions. Their earlier conclusions are mere speculations and interpretations with what little data they have.

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Hey, Heissonear, I did not notice you are a geochemist. Nice to know you.

The earth interior has been dewatered a lot. Imagine the early hot earth which had a basaltic thin crust and had no ocean. It is not that hard to see that a lot of liquid water accumulated right beneath the crust, and bursted out all of a sudden as the plates started to move.

 

[Heissonear]

Hey, Heissonear, I did not notice you are a geochemist. Nice to know you.

The earth interior has been dewatered a lot. Imagine the early hot earth which had a basaltic thin crust and had no ocean. It is not that hard to see that a lot of liquid water accumulated right beneath the crust, and bursted out all of a sudden as the plates started to move.

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I'm open to learning, and there is much still to be learned!

My initial learning of earth sciences was all naturalistic based. I was studying nature but it was through natural processes development only. Even in those days as a godless Naturalist God was showing many things did not line up to uniformitarianism and "only natural processes" theories.

One example that baffles the best are the thousands of feet of pure evaporites in the world, such as off Brazil, the Black Sea regoin, and the Gulf of Mexico. And we are talking about 4000 feet plus deposits! In the oilfield we drill through these for presalt hydro plays. Freeport McMoran, Morton, and others have mined these elaborate deposits for years, and many of these mined locations are now US Strategic Hydrocarbon Reserves.



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[MikeCarra]

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[MikeCarra]

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I'm open to learning, and there is much still to be learned!

My initial learning of earth sciences was all naturalistic based. I was studying nature but it was through natural processes development only. Even in those days as a godless Naturalist God was showing many things did not line up to uniformitarianism and "only natural processes" theories.

One example that baffles the best are the thousands of feet of pure evaporites in the world, such as off Brazil, the Black Sea regoin, and the Gulf of Mexico. And we are talking about 4000 feet plus deposits! In the oilfield we drill through these for presalt hydro plays. Freeport McMoran, Morton, and others have mined these elaborate deposits for years, and many of these mined locations are now US Strategic Hydrocarbon Reserves.



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I have never thought that evaporation of hypersaline waterbodies required God's direct actions. Interesting.

 

[RickG]

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And yes, God is Wondrous in how He initially setup the waters of the deep, the state, location, and equilibrium these waters had prior to the world destroying Flood of Noahs day!

Let the naysayers promote science that they think proves the Bible wrong. It is their quest on this forum, but they have a lot more to learn before they can make such definitive conclusions. Their earlier conclusions are mere speculations and interpretations with what little data they have.

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Actually, it was clergymen who begin looking for evidence of a global deluge. They didn't find the evidence they were looking for, but we have to thank them for originating the field of modern geology. God bless them everyone.

Question. Just who are the naysayers you are referring to? I don't know of any published research in the scientific community that has set out to prove the flood wrong. Can you cite any from the scientific literature. Also, please point out just which geologic layer of strata represents a flood.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

We also know that strata can form in a mere thousand years not the millions claimed. just look at every 1000 year old ruin or archeological dig.

http://cdn.trans-americas.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Joya-de-Ceren-4_ruins.jpg



See section 5, maybe now you have your answers as to where the water came from and where it went.

Problems with a Global Flood, 2nd edition

All his assumptions proven false, being as that water is there and is not forced to the surface, except when commanded by God to do so.

See water fiasco, again now shown incorrect.

An Introduction to Biblical Nonsense

See water problem, again not supported by the actual evidence.

Theological Scribbles: Did Noah's Flood Happen? The Evidence says 'No'

I'd say most of them making ths claim are of course evolutionists, who's ideas of water supply and source is clearly demonstrated to be incorrect.

 

[juvenissun]

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I'm open to learning, and there is much still to be learned!

My initial learning of earth sciences was all naturalistic based. I was studying nature but it was through natural processes development only. Even in those days as a godless Naturalist God was showing many things did not line up to uniformitarianism and "only natural processes" theories.

One example that baffles the best are the thousands of feet of pure evaporites in the world, such as off Brazil, the Black Sea regoin, and the Gulf of Mexico. And we are talking about 4000 feet plus deposits! In the oilfield we drill through these for presalt hydro plays. Freeport McMoran, Morton, and others have mined these elaborate deposits for years, and many of these mined locations are now US Strategic Hydrocarbon Reserves.

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The textbook model is that those salt domes were squeezed together from a much thinner layers. What is wrong with that?

 

[RickG]

We also know that strata can form in a mere thousand years not the millions claimed. just look at every 1000 year old ruin or archeological dig.

http://cdn.trans-americas.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Joya-de-Ceren-4_ruins.jpg



See section 5, maybe now you have your answers as to where the water came from and where it went.

Problems with a Global Flood, 2nd edition

All his assumptions proven false, being as that water is there and is not forced to the surface, except when commanded by God to do so.

See water fiasco, again now shown incorrect.

An Introduction to Biblical Nonsense

See water problem, again not supported by the actual evidence.

Theological Scribbles: Did Noah's Flood Happen? The Evidence says 'No'

I'd say most of them making ths claim are of course evolutionists, who's ideas of water supply and source is clearly demonstrated to be incorrect.

I'm not sure what you are getting at there seeker. Are you saying all those links are good, bogus, or what? And why are you referring to geologists as evolution as evolutionists? Please clarify.

 

[Strathos]

- Quote a scientific article you claim supports your position
- Ignore all the parts of it that contradict your position

Stay classy, creationists.

 

[driewerf]

I'm not sure what you are getting at there seeker. Are you saying all those links are good, bogus, or what? And why are you referring to geologists as evolution as evolutionists? Please clarify.

He's doing that because creationists want keep the image of loving science (see Kent Hovind). So instead of saying that geology, cosmology, biochemistry, linguistics, geophysics, glaciology, climatology, dendrochronolgy, population genetics, nuclear physics, astrophysics, orogeny, etc got it all wrong, they prefer to lump this all together as "evolutionists". So they give the impression that some small fringe cabal of mad men are wrong/conspiring against christianty. And they can claim they aren't anti science. While of course creationists are at war with the entire scientific community.

 

[ChetSinger]

What were people saying about the stupidity of claiming the waters of the deep being opened up during Noah's flood and how such would be impossible, such vast underground water sources?

Massive 'ocean' discovered towards Earth's core - environment - 12 June 2014 - New Scientist

Cool. Who would've thought there was that much water down there?

...on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth...

The great deep, indeed.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Cool. Who would've thought there was that much water down there?


The great deep, indeed.

Indeed! And this has only been measured under the US right now, still lot's more area yet to map. So expect it only to increase.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

He's doing that because creationists want keep the image of loving science (see Kent Hovind). So instead of saying that geology, cosmology, biochemistry, linguistics, geophysics, glaciology, climatology, dendrochronolgy, population genetics, nuclear physics, astrophysics, orogeny, etc got it all wrong, they prefer to lump this all together as "evolutionists". So they give the impression that some small fringe cabal of mad men are wrong/conspiring against christianty. And they can claim they aren't anti science. While of course creationists are at war with the entire scientific community.

And yet here it is, those same people that reject the Bible, telling you that what the Bible told you to expect is exactly what you just detected.

Imagine that. I don't reject the data, just your interpretation of that data. I "knew" it was there, doesn't surprise me at all, just you.

 

[juvenissun]

And yet here it is, those same people that reject the Bible, telling you that what the Bible told you to expect is exactly what you just detected.

Imagine that. I don't reject the data, just your interpretation of that data. I "knew" it was there, doesn't surprise me at all, just you.

This is one of the best example to demonstrate what faith is.

The idea of having a lot water in the mantle of the earth emerged no more than 50 years ago in the science community.

But, the magic of the Bible is more than that. God says the Global Flood would NOT happen AGAIN on the earth. That means the vast amount of water currently stored in the earth interior is NOT going to coming out again. This is amazingly correct as we can see how hard is for the mantle to squeeze its water out now.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

This is one of the best example to demonstrate what faith is.

The idea of having a lot water in the mantle of the earth emerged no more than 50 years ago in the science community.

But, the magic of the Bible is more than that. God says the Global Flood would NOT happen AGAIN on the earth. That means the vast amount of water currently stored in the earth interior is NOT going to coming out again. This is amazingly correct as we can see how hard is for the mantle to squeeze its water out now.

Yes, and then as always when they do gather the data, it always fits what they should already have known. This is just a more striking example of that.

Now if it does erupt again and floods the earth, I'll admit I was wrong , but even the scientists don't consider that much of a possibility.