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[RealityCheck]

so it proves

the fountains of the deep exists..

No, it does not.

 

[NannaNae]

yes sir it ahas been peerer'd on.


we all know what that means!
it means it is now indisputable!

 

[Justatruthseeker]

It's not perpetual motion if an energy source is required to drive it. In this case it is radioactive decay. It's like having a battery in a toy. Eventually the radioactive decay will reduce to a level whereby the heating will not be sufficient to keep the core molten.

Why, if electricity and induction are the causes do we not see a molten core in Mercury as it is so close to the sun???

Except you have no observed evidence it is radioactive decay. The only observed evidence you have are 100,000 ampere currents entering and existing the poles.

The same reason you do not see a molten core in the earth, you've never been there. How are you going to see any core?

MESSENGER: MErcury Surface, Space ENvironment, GEochemistry, and Ranging

Although your Fairie Dust is alive and well there too, even when it is those same electric currents there as well.

http://meetingorganizer.copernicus.org/EGU2014/EGU2014-6821.pdf

Everywhere:

Just watch those electrical erruptions.

Scientists Spy Solar 'Flux Ropes' Just Before Explosions | Video

http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/personnel/russell/papers/study_planets.pdf

Maybe some day you will call them by the right name.

Birkeland current - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Learning the magnetic ropes

Cluster electric current density measurements within a magnetic flux rope in the plasma sheet - Slavin - 2003 - Geophysical Research Letters - Wiley Online Library

"The peak electric currents along the central axis of the flux rope predicted by these single-s/c models were ∼15–19 nA/m2."

http://iopscience.iop.org/0741-3335/56/6/064002/pdf/0741-3335_56_6_064002.pdf

"Magnetic flux ropes are twisted bundles of electrical current and magnetic field which can exist in magnetized plasmas"

I mean how long are you all going to continue to ignore the mounting evidence???????

 

[RickG]

yes sir it ahas been peerer'd on.


we all know what that means!
it means it is now indisputable!

Actually single paper which will now have to stand the scrutiny of the greater scientific community. But regardless of its robustness or lack there of, the paper makes no claims of oceans of water in the mantle. It is simply the water contained in solid rock. What you need to ask, is why creationist organizations go to extraordinary measures to misrepresent legitimate science. This is not a single incident of this. It is the bulk of the so called creation science.

 

[NannaNae]

you can't have it both ways..... but you will take it anyway.

 

[RealityCheck]

you can't have it both ways..... but you will take it anyway.

What both ways? What are you talking about?

 

[RickG]

you can't have it both ways..... but you will take it anyway.

Would you provide clarification of who you are talking to and about what?

 

[Mainframes]

Except you have no observed evidence it is radioactive decay. The only observed evidence you have are 100,000 ampere currents entering and existing the poles.

Firstly, we do have evidence of radioactive decay. The composition of igneous rocks allows us to estimate the composition of the mantle and there are quantities of Uranium and Thorium. In addition, measurements of anti-electron neutrinos emmanating from the Earth back up the observed heat flow.

Secondly, induction heating requires an alternating current which is simply not present.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Firstly, we do have evidence of radioactive decay. The composition of igneous rocks allows us to estimate the composition of the mantle and there are quantities of Uranium and Thorium. In addition, measurements of anti-electron neutrinos emmanating from the Earth back up the observed heat flow.

Secondly, induction heating requires an alternating current which is simply not present.

If you say so, it must be true I guess, even if science doesn't agree. But I guess you didn't do your research before speaking out.

Induction heater - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The DC (direct current) power supply consists of a standard air or water cooled step-up transformer and a high voltage rectifier unit capable of generating voltages typically between 5 and 10 kV to power the oscillator. The unit needs to be rated at the correct kilovolt-ampere (kVA) to supply the necessary current to the oscillator. Early rectifier systems featured valve rectifiers such as GXU4 (high power high voltage half wave rectifier) but these were ultimately superseded by high voltage solid state rectifiers."

And those rectifiers before solid state used to be plasma vacuum tubes.


The T2K Experiment

"One of the most important discoveries in neutrino physics, the phenomenon of neutrino oscillations, came about not through the use of artificial neutrino sources, but by using neutrinos produced naturally in the Sun and in the Earth’s atmosphere"

We are just getting to the point in technology where we can accurately measure those from radioactive decay, and that is starting to put constraints on the theory, even in it's fledgling state.

Geoneutrino - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"As of 2013 geoneutrino measurements at two sites, as reported by the KamLAND and Borexino collaborations, have begun to place constraints on the amount of radiogenic heating in the Earth's interior. A third detector (SNO+) is expected to start collecting data in 2013. A number of future geoneutrino detectors are being planned."

Geo-neutrinos in SNO+ - Springer

"Spectral information from SNO+ geo-neutrino detection will provide the first direct measurement of the U/Th ratio."

It's pure guesswork right now, based only on theory. Don't make claims that are not supported.

11 March 2010 - INFN: A first look at the Earth interior from the Gran Sasso underground laboratory
"A powerful natural geo-nuclear reactor at the center of the earth has been suggested, but is ruled out as a significant energy source by the absence of the high rate of geo-reactor anti-neutrinos that should have been observed in the Borexino data...

Although radioactivity can account for a significant part of the earth's internal heat, measurements with a global array of geo-neutrino detectors above continental and oceanic crust are needed for a detailed understanding. By exploiting the unique features of the geo-neutrino probe, future data from Borexino, KamLAND, and the upcoming SNO+ detector in Canada, will provide a more complete understanding the earth's interior and the source of its internal heat."

http://www.popsci.com/science/artic...ioactivity-shows-half-earths-heat-comes-decay

"For instance, we now know that radioactive decay accounts for half the Earth's heat. But what of the other half? Some can surely be accounted for by what's called primordial heat--heat leftover from the Earth's violent formation. But whether or not that could account for all of that remaining 20 terawatts is unknown (and some think unlikely)."

Yes, I'm one of those that think it unlikely.

And they will undoubtedly continue to show at a minimum of half of what is needed to explain it. That's "my" prediction.

 

[Mainframes]

Read that article again.

The induction heater requires an invertor to change the DC current to AC.

Guess you didn't do your research at all.....

 

[RickG]

Read that article again.

The induction heater requires an invertor to change the DC current to AC.

Guess you didn't do your research at all.....

Don't you just love the Dunning-Krugers?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Read that article again.

The induction heater requires an invertor to change the DC current to AC.

Guess you didn't do your research at all.....

I guess you didn't do yours, just thought you knew something, since that inverter before the advent of solid state circuitry was a plasma vacuum tube, of which the universe is 99% plasma in a vacuum.

Rectifier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The process is known as rectification. Physically, rectifiers take a number of forms, including vacuum tube diodes, mercury-arc valves, copper and selenium oxide rectifiers, semiconductor diodes, silicon-controlled rectifiers and other silicon-based semiconductor switches. Historically, even synchronous electromechanical switches and motors have been used. Early radio receivers, called crystal radios, used a "cat's whisker" of fine wire pressing on a crystal of galena (lead sulfide) to serve as a point-contact rectifier or "crystal detector"."

Vacuum tube - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But then what would any of you understand about plasma, being you never read anything about it?

Lets see which works better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkw1sz3QVOE

Probably why its preferred.

Tube sound - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

it's what the electrical grid was first built on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Es2Umuv1I

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Don't you just love the Dunning-Krugers?

See above post. Your reliance on someone that lacks the basic knowledge of plasma physics is not a good idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwCH9v1fcsc

In a vacuum, smaller amounts of voltage have larger effects.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

When solid state was invented, we forgot all about plasma tubes, a condition natural in the universe. Experimentation with plasma tubes was forgotten, and is only now being taken up again after 100 years of neglect.

MOPA Amplifier Historical Tube Powered ‘Replica’ 1930′s Style Plasma Tube Power Amplifier

Need I say more?

https://www.google.com/search?q=Vac...9eeJ8e0yATdoYFA&ved=0CB0Qsxg&biw=1920&bih=953

 

[Mainframes]

Firstly free matter in the universe is not a plasma, only that in stars and solar winds exists as plasma. Even then most solar winds are simply charged particles.

Secondly, vacuum tubes required three electrodes to properly work and allow control.

Thirdly, vacuum tubes used in old circuitry still needed to be set out in very specific circuits to produce the ability to convert AC <==> DC and vice versa.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Firstly free matter in the universe is not a plasma, only that in stars and solar winds exists as plasma. Even then most solar winds are simply charged particles.

Don't try that Fairie Dust here! I don't buy snake oil.

NASA - The Electric Atmosphere: Plasma Is Next NASA Science Target

"Our day-to-day lives exist in what physicists would call an electrically neutral environment. Desks, books, chairs and bodies don't generally carry electricity and they don't stick to magnets. But life on Earth is substantially different from, well, almost everywhere else. Beyond Earth's protective atmosphere and extending all the way through interplanetary space, electrified particles dominate the scene. Indeed, 99% of the universe is made of this electrified gas, known as plasma"


Heliospheric current sheet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The electric current in the heliospheric current sheet has a radial component (directed inward) as well as an azimuthal component, the radial circuit being closed by outward currents aligned with the Sun's magnetic field in the solar polar regions. The radial current in the circuit is on the order of 3×109 amperes. As a comparison with other astrophysical electric currents, the Birkeland currents that supply the Earth's aurora are about a thousand times weaker at a million amperes. The maximum current density in the sheet is on the order of 10&#8722;10 A/m² (10&#8722;4 A/km²)."

I mean really, who are you trying to fool with that misdirection, yourself?

http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/personnel/russell/papers/solar_fields.pdf

Just what do you think electric currents are?

"An electric current is a flow of electric charge. In electric circuits this charge is often carried by moving electrons in a wire. It can also be carried by ions in an electrolyte, or by both ions and electrons such as in a plasma."

They are the movement of charged particles. Exactly what is observed in the solar wind, which is why it contains a current sheet and an electrical circuit.

That's 30,000,000,000 billion amperes in that radially directed current sheet.

But your right, its just simply charged particles, which is simply electric current.

Here, correct you basic misunderstandings first.

Electricty Misconceptions Spread By K6 Textbooks

https://science.nrao.edu/science/Decadal Survey/rac/Spangler_ISMplasma_GAN.pdf

 

[RickG]

The dead give away of a D/K is the absence of citations to the peer review literature which actually back ones claims. Not to mention the lack of a rebuttal of specific points in one's own words.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

The dead give away of a D/K is the absence of citations to the peer review literature which actually back ones claims. Not to mention the lack of a rebuttal of specific points in one's own words.

Well all you need do is fulfill the request I've asked for for months. Show one correct prediction by mainstream cosmological theory where probes have been sent to take measurements?

Shouldn't be too difficult should it?

 

[Mainframes]

Perhaps you could demonstrate how induction heating of the earth occurs without an inverter?

I'll need specific evidence of the inversion process taking place and measurements of the resulting alternating current from the original direct current.

 

[RickG]

Well all you need do is fulfill the request I've asked for for months. Show one correct prediction by mainstream cosmological theory where probes have been sent to take measurements?

Shouldn't be too difficult should it?

Well seeker, for one thing, I only been back for less than a month after a year and a half hiatus. So to begin with, you have been asking me that for months. Furthermore, I have made very few responses to you directly and none have been concerning cosmology. I've believe I have also made the direct comment to you that cosmology is not my area of expertise, therefore, I rarely comment about it outside of basics. I'm not a Dunning/Kruger. But if you wish to have references from the scientific literature, how about you being specific as to what you are requesting. I haven't a clue by what "you" mean by cosmological theory. Ball's in your court chief.