The Deception of Evolution and the Fossil Sequence

[nonbeliever314]

Let me guess: YAHWEH?

Your slogan "Science can take a hike", kinda disturbs me. Why are you using a computer? Science can take a hike then and all the technology that came along with it.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I could try to explain it, but I'd rather let an authority. Try this link;

Respectfully,
Kev

They just ignore electricity and magnetism in their cosmological theories. A more negatively charged body will orbit clockwise while a more positively charged body counterclockwise. And so moons and planets may not all orbit in the same direction depending on their overall charge. A simple law of electrodynamics - which cosmologists ignore so of course their theories are wrong.

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/302l/lectures/node73.html

 

[AV1611VET]

Your slogan "Science can take a hike", kinda disturbs me. Why are you using a computer? Science can take a hike then and all the technology that came along with it.

Well before you get too disturbed, what do I mean by it, in your opinion?

Let's make it multiple choice:

1. Mother Nature steps down when God performs a miracle, thus you can't explain Biblical phenomena with conventional science.
2. Science is a figment of our imagination, and the technology we use is straight out of Maya.
3. Scientists need to lose weight.

 

[nonbeliever314]

You made a reasoned and logical conclusion that affects the rest of your eternity at 13 or 14? If I still believed what I believed when I was 13 or 14 I would cringe at what I might be like today.

I'm happy with who I am today. And I'm not going to burn in hell either, because there isn't one. How about since I'm a non-believer I give you my address and you can stone me to death? In the bible it says it's alright. I'll get a notarized document saying you were granted permission to execute me, freeing you of charges for my death, and that you are protected by your right to practice your religion. And that I accepted these terms of sound mind.

 

[nonbeliever314]

Well before you get too disturbed, what do I mean by it, in your opinion?

Let's make it multiple choice:

1. Mother Nature steps down when God performs a miracle, thus you can't explain Biblical phenomena with conventional science.
2. Science is a figment of our imagination, and the technology we use is straight out of Maya.
3. Scientists need to lose weight.

4. None of the above.

 

[lifepsyop]

But it really isn't more than a "what if" excercise. Your entire post was a series of scenarios you concocted and your assumptions about how scientists would react. You haven't demonstrated anything, you've just produced a wall of text in which you assert without any supporting examples what you think would happen in various hypothetical scenarios.

If you could provide some examples of scientists coming up with one lineage and then with equal facility coming up with the exact opposite of that lineage, then you would have demonstrated your point. Currently you've just rehashed your old argument that evolutionary theory would just accommodate anything.

I challenge you to provide any actual evidence for your hypotheticals.

Wrong. For example, if a fossil pattern had revealed higher mammals in the same rock layers as dinosaurs, there is no doubt, NONE, that evolutionists would simply write a narrative around the idea that environmental pressures selected for dinosaurian and mammalian body plans at roughly the same time. This is obvious. The basic concept of Evolution makes no prediction about which animal group between the two would "evolve" first. It is nothing but an ad-hoc "selection did it" response to what is found in the rock layers.

Furthermore, we do know for a fact from modern handling of the theory that fossilized "transitional" anatomy can be OUT OF SEQUENCE and still be accommodated by claiming the primitive traits did not fossilize until after the more advanced traits.

In this sense, there are countless substantially different fossil record patterns that could have potentially been accommodated into an emerging theory of evolution. This is not my opinion, this is simple logic that can not be hand-waved away.

 

[crjmurray]

I could try to explain it, but I'd rather let an authority. Try this link;

Respectfully,
Kev

Your "authority" is a felonious charlatan.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I'm happy with who I am today. And I'm not going to burn in hell either, because there isn't one. How about since I'm a non-believer I give you my address and you can stone me to death? In the bible it says it's alright. I'll get a notarized document saying you were granted permission to execute me, freeing you of charges for my death, and that you are protected by your right to practice your religion. And that I accepted these terms of sound mind.

This is about the most bizarre post I've read here. Perhaps considering this post you don't understand Christianity, in fact, I bet on it.

 

[AV1611VET]

4. None of the above.

LOL -- doesn't surprise me.

You see, these people here like to harp & carp about the scientific method and how effective it is.

But in nine years, I have seen very few of them use it before they start ridiculing someone.

I have to admit, I was impressed that you addressed my user title before you got too judgemental.

In short, my user title exposes those who eek & ook about how great the scientific method is as ... well ... ironic.

 

[BrotherKev]

Your "authority" is a felonious charlatan.

Oh how quickly we pounce on the persecuted. Grace and peace to you...

 

[crjmurray]

What's with the Kent Hovind fan club coming out of the woodwork lately?

 

[AV1611VET]

This is about the most bizarre post I've read here. Perhaps considering this post you don't understand Christianity, in fact, I bet on it.

Seriously, OD, do you know anyone who claims they weren't a "Christian" at one time?

I'll bet if they post on the Muslim servers, they'd be saying how they were Muslims once, read the Koran 3 - 5 times, had questions their Mufti couldn't answer, and are now "free as a bird."

 

[AV1611VET]

What's with the Kent Hovind fan club coming out of the woodwork lately?

LOL -- that's funny.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Seriously, OD, do you know anyone who claims they weren't a "Christian" at one time?

I'll bet if they post on the Muslim servers, they'd be saying how they were Muslims once, read the Koran 3 - 5 times, had questions their Mufti couldn't answer, and are now "free as a bird."

Right?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Oh how quickly we pounce on the persecuted. Grace and peace to you...

Persecuted?

"All these things were fulfilled in us, when we saw with our own eyes the houses of prayer thrown down to the very foundations, and the Divine and Sacred Scriptures committed to the flames in the midst of the market-places, and the shepherds of the churches basely hidden here and there, and some of them captured ignominiously, and mocked by their enemies. When also, according to another prophetic word, "Contempt was poured out upon rulers, and he caused them to wander in an untrodden and pathless way."

But it is not our place to describe the sad misfortunes which finally came upon them, as we do not think it proper, moreover, to record their divisions and unnatural conduct to each other before the persecution. Wherefore we have decided to relate nothing concerning them except the things in which we can vindicate the Divine judgment.

Hence we shall not mention those who were shaken by the persecution, nor those who in everything pertaining to salvation were shipwrecked, and by their own will were sunk in the depths of the flood. But we shall introduce into this history in general only those events which may be usefull first to ourselves and afterwards to posterity. Let us therefore proceed to describe briefly the sacred conflicts of the witnesses of the Divine Word.

It was in the nineteenth year of the reign of Diocletian, in the month Dystrus, called March by the Romans, when the feast of the Saviour's passion was near at hand, that royal edicts were published everywhere, commanding that the churches be leveled to the ground and the Scriptures be destroyed by fire, and ordering that those who held places of honor be degraded, and that the household servants, if they persisted in the profession of Christianity, be deprived of freedom.

Such was the first edict against us. But not long after, other decrees were issued, commanding that all the rulers of the churches in every place be first thrown into prison, and afterwards by every artifice be compelled to sacrifice." - Eusebius of Caesarea, Church History, Book VIII, Chapter 2

So what's this about Hovind being persecuted again?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Atheos canadensis]

Wrong. For example, if a fossil pattern had revealed higher mammals in the same rock layers as dinosaurs, there is no doubt, NONE, that evolutionists would simply write a narrative around the idea that environmental pressures selected for dinosaurian and mammalian body plans at roughly the same time. This is obvious. The basic concept of Evolution makes no prediction about which animal group between the two would "evolve" first. It is nothing but an ad-hoc "selection did it" response to what is found in the rock layers.

Furthermore, we do know for a fact from modern handling of the theory that fossilized "transitional" anatomy can be OUT OF SEQUENCE and still be accommodated by claiming the primitive traits did not fossilize until after the more advanced traits.

In this sense, there are countless substantially different fossil record patterns that could have potentially been accommodated into an emerging theory of evolution. This is not my opinion, this is simple logic that can not be hand-waved away.

Uh, you just did exactly the same thing again. I challenged you to provide more than your imagination about what scientists might say if the fossil record were different. I'm not sure why you think you're making a compelling argument when you just post that some imaginary scientists would say X in your imaginary scenario.

And if we're not bothering to provide any actual evidence for our claims here, I would suggest that paleontologists would have a lot harder time coming up with a relatively coherent narrative if the base of the rock record showed the diversity of body forms we see now gradually merging into the same forms until we get to the first chordates or something like that. That situation would be quite hard to reconcile with our understanding of evolution.

 

[BrotherKev]

Kent teaches from the bible as God's truth, infallible, perfectly preserved. It's all about whether you understand that God is capable of getting the true word to us today.

Since God's words are as truly inspired, then why doubt their accuracy? If God says that creation took 6 days, then it took 6 days. Romans 3:4 "God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."

When scripture is 'rightly divided', we see the difference between Law and Grace, prophecy and mystery.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Kent teaches from the bible as God's truth, infallible, perfectly preserved. It's all about whether you understand that God is capable of getting the true word to us today.

Since God's words are as truly inspired, then why doubt their accuracy? If God says that creation took 6 days, then it took 6 days. Romans 3:4 "God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."

When scripture is 'rightly divided', we see the difference between Law and Grace, prophecy and mystery.

Exactly, which is why God owns only 1,000 hills worth of cattle, and not a hill more, Psalm 50:10.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[nonbeliever314]

This is about the most bizarre post I've read here. Perhaps considering this post you don't understand Christianity, in fact, I bet on it.

“He who blasphemes the name of Yahweh, he shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall certainly stone him: the foreigner as well as the native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.”

 

[nonbeliever314]

Right from the bible... But let me guess, you follow the New Testament. But yet you'll refer to the old one for your creation myth.