The Death and True Resurrection of Jesus.

[Bro.T]

Hebrews count days from sundown to sundown. It's perfectly feasible for Christ to have died before sundown Friday which is day 1, lie in the grave the entire sabbath sundown to sundown fulfilling the demand of the Sabbath: day 2, resurrected sometime after sundown sabbath and before sunrise Sunday the third day.

Scripture is not only in agreement when Jesus resurrected but quite explict
Mat 28:1 After the Sabbath...
Mar 16:1 When the Sabbath was over...
Luk 24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning...
Joh 20:1 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark...

Regardless how you count days scripture says Christ rose on the first day of the week.


I was too distracted by your sabbath agenda to hear anything else you had to say.

(Matthew 12:38) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.You have to get the three day and three nights. Count them out,the days and nights. I'll did both. I counted them out use scriptures and verses.

 

[Bro.T]

No, He makes it clear He would rise ON the third day. He states that multiple times to His disciples, and the testimony of the disciples who met Christ on the road to Emmaus confirms it is true. So either Christ was contradicting Himself or we recognise that the expression "3 days and 3 nights" is an example of synecdoche, where the whole (day and night) refers to the part (the early morning, the late afternoon). Synecdoche is very common in the Scriptures, though the more common form is where the part refers to the whole. When you recognise that "3 days and 3 nights" is a figure of speech then the apparent contradictions vanish.
3 days and 3 nights refers to 3 part or full days. Friday evening, all of the Sabbath, and Sunday morning.

(Matthew 12:38) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus gave reference to Jonas, to make it clear that you have to have both, days and nights. Get me three days from Good Friday to Easter Sunday Morning, can you do that?

 

[prodromos]

(Matthew 12:38) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus gave reference to Jonas, to make it clear that you have to have both, days and nights. Get me three days from Good Friday to Easter Sunday Morning, can you do that?

Explained in earlier posts which you have chosen to ignore.

 

[Bro.T]

And behold, two of them were going that very day (the 1st day of the week...SUNDAY) to a village named Emmaus, which was threescore furlongs from Jerusalem.

And they communed with each other of all these things which had happened.

And it came to pass, while they communed and questioned together, that Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.

But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.

And he said unto them, What communications are these that ye have one with another, as ye walk? And they stood still, looking sad.

And one of them, named Cleopas, answering said unto him, Dost thou alone sojourn in Jerusalem and not know the things which are come to pass there in these days?

But we hoped that it was he who should redeem Israel. Yea and besides all this, it is now the third day since these things came to pass.

Day 3 Sunday...day of resurrection
Day 2 Sabbath...Yeshua in the tomb
Day 1 Friday...the day the events occurred...trial, death and burial before sunset

Jesus was always being inquired of by the Jews for a sign. He gave them one in reference to His death and resurrection. He told them that just like Jonas, He would be in the earth 3 days and 3 nights. In the Gospel of John Jesus again gave the Jews a sign by telling them if this temple was destroyed He would raise it up in 3 days. Jesus was referring to His body.

(Matthew 12:38) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Let's take another look at it (John 2:18) Then answered the Jews and said unto him, “What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?” (19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? (21) But he spake of the temple of his body.
Jesus makes it clear the time between His death and resurrection would be 3 days and 3 nights.

 

[Bro.T]

Explained in earlier posts which you have chosen to ignore.

I don't think so, you haven't given me the three days and three night, from Good Friday to Easter Sunday Morning. All you have to do is count the days out, it's math at this point. I already post the scriptures and verses on the matter. If you can't get me the night try the days. Start from Good Friday and let's see....

 

[prodromos]

Let's take another look at it (John 2:18) Then answered the Jews and said unto him, “What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?” (19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? (21) But he spake of the temple of his body.
Jesus makes it clear the time between His death and resurrection would be 3 days and 3 nights.

"In 3 days" does not equal "3 days and 3 nights"

 

[truefiction1]

Those where athens and they were trying to learn and understand Paul's God and what he was preaching at that time. Big different to what this thread is about. This is a world wide believe that Jesus died Good Friday and rose Easter Sunday Morning, taught through out world, but the Bible says different. Paul say in 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. And that's what you are doing bearing with it. Because Jesus says in (Matthew 12:38) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Can you get three days and three night from Good Friday to Easter Sunday Morning? So not only you can't get it with math, but a pagan day get slap on top of it. But the truth don't matter to certain people unless the lied is on them!

There are 3 nights and 3 days between Good Friday and Holy Pascha on Sunday, actually, because in the Bible, if a thing occurs during any part of one 24 hour day it is accounted for the whole day, including the Eve before. So, a Friday crucifixion encapsulates Thursday evening and a Sunday resurrection encapsulates Saturday evening and Sunday. Thus, His soul was in hell (the heart of the Earth) for three nights and three days, just as He said. That is what the ancient Christian elders knew and where contemporary know-it-alls err.

To better illustrate this logic, I present the following Biblical example:

(1) To us, three days and three nights generally means 72 hours, but we must understand the Bible historically and culturally. For the Jewish mind, this could mean any part of the first day, all of the second day, and any part of the third day. This is obvious by comparing Esther 4:16 and 5:1. Esther mentioned fasting for three days and nights and said that she would then go into the king, which she did, but 5:1 tells us clearly that it was on the third day that she went into the king, not after three days or on the fourth. This simply illustrates the way the Jews reckoned time.

(2) Further, the statement “after three days” could mean to the Jewish mind “on the third day” since any part of that day was considered the third day

Quite frankly, the holy and ancient elders of the Church simply knew Scripture far better and more completely that many of us postmodernists do, and this is because they didn't just read it in order to find fault with others. Rather, they truly lived it in order to become closer with God. These are the men and women of holiness and faith that some, in arrogance, like to assume they are better than. We've nothing to gain from arrogance but eternal torments if we don't repent of it: the great "woe" of the prophet Isaiah to those who are "wise in their own conceits and prudent in their own sight". Orthodox Christians, full of the grace that God gives to those who seek to receive the gift of humility by the action of the Holy Spirit, celebrate Holy Friday, Holy Saturday, and Great and Holy Pascha, which is the Feast of all feasts. Their hearts overflow with the joy of salvation, also in the Holy Spirit, and then they teach transgressors God's way, and sinners then return to Him.

Before, in a post, I suggested to you that you should simply look the explanations up for yourself online, because there are ample articles on this very topic on the web. There was a reason I did this. You see, if you or I or anyone is truly and genuinely seeking God's righteousness, rather than to feed our own desire for self-righteousness, then we will be praying to God for the inner disposition that Christ in His beatitudes calls being "poor in spirit". I got the distinct sense that you came here not to learn, but to teach. Not very many of us ought to teach, as the Holy Apostle Paul warns.

 

[klutedavid]

Here is a thursday view.

Was Jesus Crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday? » Reasons for Hope* Jesus

If Jesus was buried at 3pm on Thursday, then three full days later would be 3pm Sunday.

You also have two Sabbath days, Friday and Saturday, as consecutive days. This means that the Saturday Sabbath has no preparation day.

 

[Der Alte]

DAY (Hebrew, "yom"):
In the Bible, the season of light (Gen. i. 5), lasting "from dawn [lit. "the rising of the morning"] to the coming forth of the stars" (Neh. iv. 15, 17). The term "day" is used also to denote a period of twenty-four hours (Ex. xxi. 21). In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day;

e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day. Again, a man who hears of a vow made by his wife or his daughter, and desires to cancel the vow, must do so on the same day on which he hears of it, as otherwise the protest has no effect; even if the hearing takes place a little time before night, the annulment must be done within that little time. The day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day—except in reference to sacrifices, where daytime and the night following constitute one day (Lev. vii. 15; see Calendar). "The day" denotes: (a) Day of the Lord; (b) the Day of Atonement; (c) the treatise of the Mishnah that contains the laws concerning the Day of Atonement (See Yoma and Sabbath).
DAY - JewishEncyclopedia.com​

Here are a few quotes from an eleven page article showing, from scripture, that Jesus was crucified on Friday and rose early on Sunday morning.

Matthew 28:1
Those who believe that Jesus died on Wednesday and rose on Saturday base much of their evidence on Matthew 28:1, "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre." Figuring that the first day of the week "dawns" at sundown Saturday night as the Sabbath ends, these people assume that the women discovered the empty tomb in the twilight moments of the Sabbath, just before sundown. They count backwards exactly seventy-two hours and arrive at Wednesday evening just before sundown for the crucifixion.
Is this a valid conclusion? Or is there evidence that the women could not have visited the empty tomb on Saturday evening? There is indeed positive biblical proof that they did not. We find that evidence in Mark's account of the visit to the sepulchre in Mark 16:1-3.
Mark 16:1-3, "And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?"
There is no question about this being an early Sunday morning visit. It is at sunrise. The very same women are named as in Matthew's account. Can we correctly assume that these same women had been to the tomb the night before and found Jesus risen? Impossible. Why? Because of the question they asked as they approached the garden on Sunday morning, "Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?" (Mark 16:3). If they had been there Saturday just before sundown and found the tomb empty, they would have known that the stone was already rolled away from the door. This is absolute proof that they had not been to an empty tomb the day before. It also proves that Matthew's "dawn" refers to the dawning represented by the sunrise and not sunset. There is no contradiction between the two accounts.
Now, some may ask "Why does Matthew 28:1 say the women came to the tomb at the end of the sabbath?" This is a legitimate question. Well, the answer is because the Greek word for "Sabbath" can also mean "week." This Greek word, sabbaton is word #4521, and means "the sabbath" as well as "a week." As a matter of fact, this same Greek word is translated as both "sabbath" and "week" in Matthew 28:1!
Matthew 28:1, "In the end of the sabbath, (Greek word #4521) as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, (Greek word #4521) came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre."
In other words, the correct translation should be, "In the end of the week, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week." This same Greek word that's translated as "Sabbath" is also translated as "week" in these passages; Mark 16:2,9; Luke 18:2; 24:1, John 20:1,19; Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, so it is not hard to see that the correct translation in Matthew 28:1 is "week" and not "sabbath."
This makes sense because, as was shown above, these women could not possibly have gone to the tomb on both the Sabbath and Sunday, because they would have known that the stone was already rolled away from the door. Besides, if they did go to the tomb on the Sabbath, this would directly contradict this passage in scripture, which says the women rested on the Sabbath:
Luke 23:56, "And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment."
Three Days and Three Nights​

 

[klutedavid]

I don't think so, you haven't given me the three days and three night, from Good Friday to Easter Sunday Morning. All you have to do is count the days out, it's math at this point. I already post the scriptures and verses on the matter. If you can't get me the night try the days. Start from Good Friday and let's see....

Do you believe that Jesus rose on the third day or after the third day?

 

[DamianWarS]

(Matthew 12:38) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.You have to get the three day and three nights. Count them out,the days and nights. I'll did both. I counted them out use scriptures and verses.

None of this changes when Christ was resurrected since scripture is explict with this. Before sunrise on the 1st day and after the Sabbath. You are free to count backwards to determine when he died.

 

[Eloy Craft]

Can you get three days and three night from Good Friday to Easter Sunday Morning?

I get three. What we call Thursday night is Friday's night. What we call Friday's night is Saturday's night. What we call Saturday's night is Sunday's night. Jesus rose just before the day that belongs to Sunday.

Words are symbolic and transitory the concepts they symbolize are the substance of faith.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

He gave them one in reference to His death and resurrection. He told them that just like Jonas, He would be in the earth 3 days and 3 nights. In the Gospel of John Jesus again gave the Jews a sign by telling them if this temple was destroyed He would raise it up in 3 days. Jesus was referring to His body.

(Matthew 12:38) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Let's take another look at it (John 2:18) Then answered the Jews and said unto him, “What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?” (19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? (21) But he spake of the temple of his body.
Jesus makes it clear the time between His death and resurrection would be 3 days and 3 nights.

He gave them only half of it...a dead man in the grave for 3 days is not a sign. That happens everyday. In 3 days...he ROSE from the dead. Also you are ignoring that the eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus disprove your timeline...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I don't think so, you haven't given me the three days and three night, from Good Friday to Easter Sunday Morning. All you have to do is count the days out, it's math at this point. I already post the scriptures and verses on the matter. If you can't get me the night try the days. Start from Good Friday and let's see....

The eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus disprove your timeline...all you have to do is count back...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Get me three days from Good Friday to Easter Sunday Morning, can you do that?

Friday...day 1...before sunset
Sabbath...day 2
Sunday...day 3

Just as the eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus said...disproves your timeline...

 

[DamianWarS]

Words are symbolic and transitory the concepts they symbolize are the substance of faith.

If Jesus died on Friday before dusk and he resurrected before sunrise early morning Sunday (day 3) then if you do the math it's 3 days 2 nights. But Eastern and Hebraic logic doesn't care about our western obsession for details. It is the same amount of days through adoption because Jonah's time in the whale foreshadows Jesus time in the grave and so it inherits the same time frame. If it's actually 3 days 2 nights this doesn't matter.

This is too much for westerners to accept and they demand 3 physical days and 3 physical nights to pass but fail to understand they are superimposing their obsession for details over an account that has far less value for it in the original context. Eastern logic says it's true because it has to be true even if the details are not perfect and this is good enough.

Westerns will call this a lie and reject it and then invent all these other versions to reconcile the details. Easterns however will agree with the words as they are because it's the way it should be. So Easterns will says Jesus died on Friday, rose early Sunday morning and at the same time was in the grave 3 days 3 nights because these are all biblical affirmed details. Even if details exist in tension with each other both are true at the same time and if you don't understand this, study eastern logic more.

 

[Eloy Craft]

If Jesus died on Friday before dusk and he resurrected before sunrise early morning Sunday (day 3) then if you do the math it's 3 days 2 nights. But Eastern and Hebraic logic doesn't care about our western obsession for details. It is the same amount of days through adoption because Jonah's time in the whale foreshadows Jesus time in the grave and so it inherits the same time frame. If it's actually 3 days 2 nights this doesn't matter.

This is too much for westerners to accept and they demand 3 physical days and 3 physical nights to pass but fail to understand they are superimposing their obsession for details over an account that has far less value for it in the original context. Eastern logic says it's true because it has to be true even if the details are not perfect and this is good enough.

Westerns will call this a lie and reject it and then invent all these other versions to reconcile the details. Easterns however will agree with the words as they are because it's the way it should be. So Easterns will says Jesus died on Friday, rose early Sunday morning and at the same time was in the grave 3 days 3 nights because these are all biblical affirmed details. Even if details exist in tension with each other both are true at the same time and if you don't understand this, study eastern logic more.

Thank you. I didn't know that distinction between east and west. Interesting.

Eastern logic says it's true because it has to be true even if the details are not perfect and this is good enough.

. I remember reasoning that very thing.

 

[Bro.T]

Friday...day 1...before sunset
Sabbath...day 2
Sunday...day 3

Just as the eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus said...disproves your timeline...

Tradition of Man - Good Friday & Easter SU M T W TH F S
Days 1 1
Nights 1 1

(John 20:1) The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Yet dark means still dark. The Lord’s days begin and end at evening (sunset). (Gen. 1:5) And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first. All biblical days began and ended at sunset. So Jesus rose Saturday just before Sundown Sunday. And on top of that it was still dark when Mary came, so it wasn't day time. Either way it go you can't use Sunday at all.

(2) Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

(Luke 24:1) Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. (2) And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. (3) And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. (4) And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

(5) And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
(6) He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,

 

[Bro.T]

He gave them only half of it...a dead man in the grave for 3 days is not a sign. That happens everyday. In 3 days...he ROSE from the dead. Also you are ignoring that the eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus disprove your timeline...

(Matthew 12:38) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 

[Bro.T]

I get three. What we call Thursday night is Friday's night. What we call Friday's night is Saturday's night. What we call Saturday's night is Sunday's night. Jesus rose just before the day that belongs to Sunday.

Words are symbolic and transitory the concepts they symbolize are the substance of faith.

You close, but you can't use Sunday night or day, because it's says in (John 20:1) The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. And it was early in the morning and it was still dark. But Jesus had already risen. Yet dark means still dark. So when Mary came Jesus was gone and was still dark. Now remember God's days start at evening and end the next evening.

That's because Jesus went into His grave right before the end of the Passover or Wed. evening. The passing of the Passover brought in the Feast of the Unleavened Bread. So Jesus would Have been in the Grave Wednesday night, Thursday daytime and Thursday night, Friday daytime, Friday night, Saturday daytime and Jesus rose right before the sun went down on Saturday. Hence one has the 3 days and 3 nights which Jesus prophesied.

This is the key scripture you missing, His death Wednesday night is consistent with the comment of the prophet Daniel, stating the Messiah would be cut off (killed) in the midst of the week.

Daniel 9:26-27 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week (Wednesday is the middle of the week) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, (Remember, Jesus is the sacrificial Passover Lamb).