Here is your short list that you have asked for ES .... just for starters
But I maintain that is not the main point of the example of Noah and Lot. And this is where we disagree, it sounds. I see the main point being the sudden destruction on the wicked that will take place when Jesus returns.
Matthew 24:37
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.
Well now I see that you really do not know who the Lord is in the first palace .... He is the Author of His entire prophetic word
You have a listing son .... all of it is His teaching and much more
Let me give you a hint about this truth [John 1:1-14; John 14:8-9]
Until you get this your adventure is in vane
Do you have a Bible?
If so, understand that it belongs to Him .... and if you want to know answers to your questions .... read it
1) The activities mentioned illustrate how totally unaware the people were that they were about to be destroyed.
2) There has to be a reason why Christ compared his second coming to the days of Noah and Lot. He could have just said "it'll be sudden, and the world won't have any clue," but he didn't. The only possible reason can be because those days will be comparable to the days of Noah and Lot in wickedness as well as the fact that the people will be totally unaware when they get destroyed.
3) Christ specifically mentioned an enormous amount of iniquity in the last days (Mt. 24:12).
4) I think you are correct in that there is some implication that Christ was saying these people were putting these activities ahead of God.
I think the video contains some valid points about allowing the everyday concerns of life to crowd out our relationship with God. However, I think Jesus chose Noah & Lot as examples because of the sexual immorality, to show us a sign of what social conditions would be like when He returns.Hi all,
Here's another video, this one on the Days of Noah and Lot. It's 6 minute animated feature which explores Jesus' comments from Luke 17:26-30. I look forward to hearing what others think and some positive discussion about this issues.
I think the video contains some valid points about allowing the everyday concerns of life to crowd out our relationship with God. However, I think Jesus chose Noah & Lot as examples because of the sexual immorality, to show us a sign of what social conditions would be like when He returns.
But from the beginning I have wanted to explore why their destruction is sudden.
1 Peter 3:20 & 2 Peter 3:5 indicate that God warned the people in Noah's day.Yes, this is a very interesting question which I have asked myself as well. I think maybe the destruction is sudden because God doesn't believe they deserve warning? Or maybe because he's given warning, but they didn't listen? So since he's already warned them, and they didn't listen, he's not going to warn them again.
The context indicates Jesus is talking about signs of His coming and I think it is true to suggest that everyday activities (such as planting/building, buying/selling & marriage) without regard for what God wants us to do is also a sign of our times. Although these activities are not limited to the last 50 years, busying oneself with these things to the exclusion of God has become very common, especially in what we once thought of as Christian countries.That is the question no one wants to ask. At what point does planting/building, buying/selling, and marraige become sinful? What are the practical warning signs to let us know when we have this problem? Instead, it's much easier to think, "No, it's not about me, because I'm not a sexual pervert".
1 Peter 3:20 & 2 Peter 3:5 indicate that God warned the people in Noah's day.
Although these activities are not limited to the last 50 years, busying oneself with these things to the exclusion of God has become very common, especially in what we once thought of as Christian countries.
It's strange how popular this position seems to have become. The Tribulation and the Wrath are not the same thing. They are completely separate spiritual concepts. Tribulation/persecution is something that God allows all his followers to experience; it's just part of learning to become spiritually mature and to overcome.
Wrath is specifically directed at God's enemies and is not meant to teach. By the time wrath comes it's too late, or as the Angel sounding the 7th trumpet says, "let there be time no longer". It's like he's saying, "time's up; there is no further chance for repentance. Jesus has taken his people up for the marriage supper of the lamb and now the REALLY violent stuff is about to be poured out on a disobedient and spiritually desolate world below.
If the Wrath were happening at the same time as the Tribulation then how is it decided who gets the trumpets (i.e. tribulation) and who gets the bowls (i.e. the wrath)? According to pre-trib there are not more Christians/saints left so how is the remaining population of unbelievers divided up between the two (i.e. who gets the trib and who gets the wrath)?
I really don't understand how you work out your timeline. John doesn't mention anything about the rapture in Revelation 19 because it's already taken place. The church is there, with Jesus and the chapter is described from a Heavenly perspective. When they leave with Jesus on his white horse, they are going down to the battle of Armageddon, which is the last bowl of wrath (i.e. number 7).
If they are going down for the last bowl, then that necessitates that while they were up there partying, the previous bowls (1-6) must have been poured out, unless you're suggesting that the tribulation saints are gathered up by Jesus after the 6th bowl of wrath? Or, are you suggesting that the bowls will not be poured out in order from 1-7, in which case one wonders why God would bother to number them Or, are you suggesting there will be more than one marriage supper of the lamb so that the tribulation saints can have their little slice of cake, too? Or, are you suggesting that the tribulation saints will not partake of the marriage supper of the lamb? Please elaborate.
No, it makes more sense that the church goes through the Great Tribulation, out of which comes a great multitude no one could count. These are people who responded to God's discipline and chose to repent as a result. At the end of that period of Great Tribulation they are "raptured" (i.e. at the sound of a trumpet, just as Jesus and Paul describe, with Paul in particular describing it as the "last" trumpet).
Well actually billions on earth will have already known the pre-trib rapture is true when the days of Noah hits.
You're suppose to repent as you live your life before you enter into the tribulation. You don't start repenting once you're in the tribulation. That's why you're in the tribulation.
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