The Davidic Covenant

[Jerrysch]

What are the seven provisions of the Davidic covenant? Are any of the provisions being fulfilled now, in what ways?

 

[Dispy]

What are the seven provisions of the Davidic covenant? Are any of the provisions being fulfilled now, in what ways?

I won't get into the seven provisions of the Davidic covenants because they are for the nation of Israel which is in a set aside condition. They are all a part of prophesy to Israel, and being Israel is presently in that set aside position, the prophetic time clock has been stopped temporarily. It will resume with the rapture of the Chruch, the body of Christ, which cannot be found in prophesy.

There is no OT prophesy to Israel being fulfilled today, however, there are events happening to day that will lead to the fulfillment of those OT prophesies.

God Bless.
Live Well, Laugh Often and Love the Lord!

 

[Dave Taylor]

The Davidic Covenant prophesied
2 Samuel 07:12-16
"And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took [it] from Saul, whom I put away before thee. And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever."


The Davidic Covenant Fulfilled
Luke 1:32-33
(Jesus) shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end." Luke 1:32-33.

Acts 2:29-36
"Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."

Luke 17:20-21
"The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold the kingdom of God is within you "

Colossians 1:13
"(The Father)..hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son."

Romans 14:17
"For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men."

I Peter 1:11
"For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

Matthew 1:1-17
"The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ."

 

[LukeBritt]

Greatness...

 

[Jerrysch]

The Davidic Covenant prophesied
2 Samuel 07:12-16
"And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took [it] from Saul, whom I put away before thee. And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever."

This quote does not apply to the Messiah...it refers to Solomon....why? "If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took [it] from Saul, whom I put away before thee."

Messiah will not commit any iniquity, this gives us the clue that it is not Messiah who is being spoken of.

 

[Jerrysch]

The Davidic Covenant prophesied



The Davidic Covenant Fulfilled
Luke 1:32-33
(Jesus) shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end." Luke 1:32-33.

Yet the throne of David is to be in the literal city of Jerrusalem. And for the record...the house of Jacob does not refer to the church, that is the body of believers who have been baptized in the Holy Spirit. But it does refer to.... the house of Jacob, the "redeemed" of Jacob so to speak.

 

[Jerrysch]

The Davidic Covenant prophesied

Acts 2:29-36
"Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."

David's throne is going to be set in Jerusalem, this event has yet to happen. This is clearly stated by Peter in this passage when he states that : "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted,". Jesus is at this very minute sitting on His Father's throne making intercession for the saints, He is not as yet acting as King. The Throne of God in heaven is not the throne of David on earth.

 

[Jerrysch]

The Davidic Covenant prophesied


Luke 17:20-21
"The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold the kingdom of God is within you "

Colossians 1:13
"(The Father)..hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son."

Romans 14:17
"For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men."

I Peter 1:11
"For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

Matthew 1:1-17
"The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ."

None of these references indicate that the Davidic Covenant is now in force. To verify this one need to discover what exactly the provisions of that covenant are.

 

[Dave Taylor]

Jerry,
You are purposefully mis-interpretting all of those scriptures so that they don't conflict with Dispensationalism; instead of allowing them to be understood in the clear Messianic light they are given; and show fulfillment of.

Come on; Jerry....Dispensationalism isn't worth doing all that to the scriptures....

The line you made, about Christ, "He is not as yet acting as King" ....

That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard anyone say in attempts to defend a man-made belief system....

Christ was King of Kings and Lord of Lords before the worlds began!

Psalms 10:16 "The LORD is King for ever and ever"

Psalms 24:9 "Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory."

Psalms 29:10 "the LORD sitteth King for ever."

Psalms 74:12 "For God is my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth."

Isaiah 43:14 "Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King."

Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

Zechariah 9:9 "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass."

Acts 17:7 "Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus. And they troubled the people and the rulers of the city, when they heard these things."

John 18:37 "Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice."

Matthew 1:25 "And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King"

John 12:12 "On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord. And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written, Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt. "

I Timothy 1:16 "Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen."

Hebrews 6:20 "Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace"

finally....

Ephesians 1:20 "Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things"

Jerry, if Christ is not King; then we are all damned.

Surely you don't hold so dearly to dispensationalism; that you would allow it to now displace Christ as the eternal King of the Universe.

You can't get more kingly than being raised far above all every name that is named; the head over all things.

 

[Jerrysch]

Jerry,
You are purposefully mis-interpretting all of those scriptures so that they don't conflict with Dispensationalism; instead of allowing them to be understood in the clear Messianic light they are given; and show fulfillment of.

Come on; Jerry....Dispensationalism isn't worth doing all that to the scriptures....

Dave, what are the provisions of the Davidic covenant?

 

[Jerrysch]

Jerry,
You are purposefully mis-interpretting all of those scriptures so that they don't conflict with Dispensationalism; instead of allowing them to be understood in the clear Messianic light they are given; and show fulfillment of.

Actually I am allowing the Scriptures to speak for themselves, the Davidic Covenant had provisions which will be literally fulfilled. That is the way our God is, He makes covenants He keeps them. I am sorry that this is unacceptable to you.

 

[Jerrysch]

The line you made, about Christ, "He is not as yet acting as King" ....

That statement was made in context of the Davidic covenant, which specifies that a decendant was to sit on the throne of David, now are you suggesting that David's throne was in heaven? Is that your claim, for Jesus is sitting at the right hand of the Father in heaven, yet this is not the throne of David.

 

[Jerrysch]

Christ was King of Kings and Lord of Lords before the worlds began!

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Yet He is not sitting on the Throne of David, as promiced in the Davidic Covenant.

 

[Jerrysch]

Jerry, if Christ is not King; then we are all damned.

Surely you don't hold so dearly to dispensationalism; that you would allow it to now displace Christ as the eternal King of the Universe.

You can't get more kingly than being raised far above all every name that is named; the head over all things.

You have taken me out of context on this one. Jesus has yet to sit down on the throne of David in Jerusalem in accordance with the Davidic Covenant. He will and you will see it with your very own eyes. And on that day you will buy me a cool one and we will glorify God together.

 

[Hedgehog]

Jerry,
dont you see at all that waiting for the literalness was one of the problems of the Jews?
This is why they didnt believe Jesus to be the Messiah- because He didnt fulfill literal things. This is why they asked if the kingdom was now to be set up. They werent understanding yet that there were spiritual things to be done instead of literal.

 

[LukeBritt]

Right on...

 

[Dave Taylor]

Jerry,
The idea that one must come and physically sit their hind-end in a literal throne, in the literal city of Jersusalem, and literally rule over mortal subjects just like King David did of old....

Is exactly why most of the Jews missed Jesus the first time.

And dispensationalism has picked up that same mantle, brought it back to life; and is still looking for the same fulfuilment in the same way they looked for; that will never happen. Jesus told them their expectation was wrong...it just as certainly applies to the same mis-application that dispensationalism is re-applying today.

Jesus coming and sitting on the throne of David is nothing more than a figure of speech showing that Jesus would come through the line of David; and that He would be king; like David was king; but in a much more great and grand scale...not limited to earthly kingdoms of stone and mortar; but the KING OF THE UNIVERSE; HIGH ABOVE ALL THINGS.

Where is the throne of David you ask?

It IS Jesus Christ...not a seat. not a building.

As the NT Scriptures tell us; and so few today will believe; Jesus is the complete fulfillment of what David looked for; and what David was promised.

It could be no more obvious....yet the pharisees and jews of the 1st century rejected it; because it didn't fit their expectations....

and modern dispensationalism of the 21 century rejects it; because it doesn't fit its expectations...

Jerry; can you truthfully not see all of the same missed-expecations that dispensationalism has revived and has returned to looking for?

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

Dave, you shouldn't misconstrue the emphasis by Jerrysch on a future political kingdom rule by Christ centered in Jerusalem. Dispensationalists have always recognized different aspects of the kingdom. King, kingdom and throne are all interrelated. Walvoord and Ryrie believe the present age is a form of the mystery kingdom, and after the future millennial kingdom comes the universal kingdom (eternal state). Dwight Pentecost holds that there are 10 successive stages of Theocratic kingdoms, with this present age as one of them. In Scripture, there is a sense in which Jesus is presently ruling/reigning as a king, and a sense in which His rule/reign is future. Take a look at Psalm 110:1-2

Psalm 110:1 The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.
Psalm 110:2 The LORD will extend your mighty scepter from Zion; you will rule in the midst of your enemies.

Psalm 110 is an obvious Messianic Psalm, quoted quite frequently in the NT. Notice verse 1 refers to some type of enthronement with the LORD in heaven (more on that later) while verse 2 refers to a future tense of extending territory from Zion (Jerusalem). It is clear from Scripture prophecies that the promised Davidic King will rule more than just Israel, he will reign over the nations (gentiles) as well (i.e., Psalm 2). At what point has or will this happen? Take a look at a couple of passages from Revelation, a book which deals with future events:

Revelation 2:26-27 26 To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations-- 27 'He will rule them with an iron scepter; he will dash them to pieces like pottery'--just as I have received authority from my Father.

Revelation 2:26-27 refers to the clearly Messianic Psalm 2 in the future tense - it will be a future ruling (authority) over the nations. Again Psalm 2 is referred to in Revelation, this time with the 2nd Coming:

Revelation 19:15 Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter."

Its not "He has ruled them" it is still the future "He will rule them" - and this is at Jesus' Second Coming in Revelation 19.

Now back to the "enthronement" in heaven. It is also clear that NT Scriptures portray Jesus as enthroned in heaven -

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

Revelation 3:21 To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Notice again the future and past tense in Rev 3:21 as it was in Rev 2:26-27 and Ps 110:1-2 - "I will give the right to sit" - future - "just as I overcame and sat down" - past.

So dispensationalists DO acknowlege the rule of God/Christ in this present age, and also still look forward to God extending Jesus' kingdom from Zion in the millennial reign.

 

[Jerrysch]

Jerry,
dont you see at all that waiting for the literalness was one of the problems of the Jews?
This is why they didnt believe Jesus to be the Messiah- because He didnt fulfill literal things. This is why they asked if the kingdom was now to be set up. They werent understanding yet that there were spiritual things to be done instead of literal.

No, it wasn't the Jewish leadership rejected Jesus because He was more righteous than they were, they attributed His works to demonic sources. You forget that many of the Sons of Israel saw Jesus and did recognize that He was Messiah, because He fulfilled the scriptures, literally.

But to follow your line of reasoning, if we were to abandon a literal hermeneutic, that is abandon the meanings of the words, and make no mistake that would be the result, to what authority do we turn to find the "new" meaning? When we abandon a literal meaning for the words, they can then mean anything we want. We can say that Jesus was born in St. Louis, that His mother's name was Dorthy, that He was a short order cook for a living. If we abandon the meanings of the words, anything goes. Do you see what I am saying? Another point, you are at this very moment, using a literal hermeneutic to discover what I am saying, why are you doing this? Why do you employ a literal hermeneutic when you read what I have written? (I never get an answer when I ask that question).

 

[Jerrysch]

Jerry,
The idea that one must come and physically sit their hind-end in a literal throne, in the literal city of Jersusalem, and literally rule over mortal subjects just like King David did of old....

Is exactly why most of the Jews missed Jesus the first time.

No it is not. It is a pity that you do not consider that God will really do what He has said He will, though. Maybe you conisder some other promices God has made to be not literally true either? Like the promice of eternal life? Maybe you shouldn't believe that that is going to happen either? Just where do you draw the line? And just for the record, if God says He is going to do it, why should I beleive you when you say He isn't? What other things did God say He was going to do that you say He isn't?