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From the outside, I would have to say that what makes the church least attractive to me is the elitism and holier-than-thou attitude of many (certainly not all) Christians. Unfortunately a lot of the most outspoken Christians are also some of the angriest. It sometimes takes people as charismatic and down-to-earth as Gene Robinson and Desmond Tutu (and, of course, some of my own friends) to remind me that there are lovely Christians out there as well. But the public face of Christianity is, more than ever, the shouty evangelical with a list a mile long of people to condemn, and a list consisting solely of people in their church to actually be nice to.
Sorry. I honestly didn't mean to spin your words. My reading comprehension is somewhat limited today because I just can't seem to wake up at all (and no, coffee wouldn't help me, lol; it would just make me hyper and anxious as all heck). Maybe this is a sign that I should stop debating for now.Good night, what a spin! I did not say that you need to "focus on God" like I was commanding you to worship Him! I was saying that the Christian church is made up of humans so of course we are going to be wrong....about....ALOT! Just like every other aspect of life. Our God is perfect so you cant fault Him is what I am saying.
Get a grip already, I cant "illustrate your point" if that was not even close to the point I was making. I never ever said that you should believe in Him, I was saying that the God that we worship does not hate sinners, and its an unfortunate part of life that we tend to get things wrong. Sheesh.
I think the problem with the modern-day church is that its members (especially those who are conservative) want to turn every one of their morals into law, thus forcing non-Christians to abide by a holy book that they don't even believe in. I cannot honestly understand how they can think that such a thing is Christ-like at all.
Thanks for providing perfect proof of my claim that so many Christians are pushy about their beliefs and their ethics.I can agree; however, you must also see that remaining on the outside isn't going to get one aquainted with those on the inside, and if my invitation is not good enough, well, it looks like it may remain that way...
Where did I ever say that Christians have to agree with everything? I simply said that many Christians are trying to turn their personal morals into law, which is completely true.Of course it is easier to get along with someone who agrees with everything. But is that Christ like?
I am not making excuses, I am acknowledging that no one is perfect. I cannot even try to change anyone else. I can only offer my beliefs and perspective. I myself cannot wage a holy war to try and change the church, most people wouldnt listen anyway.Sorry. I honestly didn't mean to spin your words. My reading comprehension is somewhat limited today because I just can't seem to wake up at all (and no, coffee wouldn't help me, lol; it would just make me hyper and anxious as all heck). Maybe this is a sign that I should stop debating for now.
And I see what you're saying now. But why are you trying to make up excuses for the "bad apples" in your political party? The fact is, you and I both realize that they're wrong for acting the way that they are, so why can't something be done to change that?
Of course it is easier to get along with someone who agrees with everything. But is that Christ like?
Where did I ever say that Christians have to agree with everything? I simply said that many Christians are trying to turn their personal morals into law, which is completely true.
No, most laws are based on logic and reality, not on morals.True, but we should be honest enough to acknowledge that the same is happening with non-Christians as well. Every law is based on someones morals.
Who says we can't change the way others think/act? The Religious Right was able to change the way Republicans thought when it hijacked their party in the 1980s, so why can't anyone else change the way others think?I am not making excuses, I am acknowledging that no one is perfect. I cannot even try to change anyone else. I can only offer my beliefs and perspective. I myself cannot wage a holy war to try and change the church, most people wouldnt listen anyway.
I'm against that in all forms, though. In my opinion, the laws of this country should be based entirely on logic and reality. Morals should have no say in them.does it matter? The fact remains that people, of all types, have been pushing their own moral ideals to become law.
True, but I think I have enough issues on my own that I need to address before I go and try and change other people's issues, believe me, I have tried. The answer I came up with is to simply offer my view, and do my best to live by it. Kind of "actions speak louder than words" kind of attitude.Who says we can't change the way others think/act? The Religious Right was able to change the way Republicans thought when it hijacked their party in the 1980s, so why can't anyone else change the way others think?
Care to provide proof that all laws were put into place as a result of someone's personal morals?then we'd have no laws
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