The Cure.

[Loner]

Lattly I have bin encountering these Chartity Groupes that claim they are trying to find a Cure for Autism/Asperger and ways to prevent people from being born with it. As a Aspie myself I found myself feeling vary offened by some of thing these groupes have bin saying. I wanted to here from other Aspies and what they think. Do I have a right to be mad at groupe like C. A. N. (Cure Autism Now)?

 

[vespasia]

I favour founding cure NT Now.

It would be a very boring world if we were all the same and lets face it almost all the medical advances we have would not be possible witout the science aspies plugging away with that hyper-focus.

 

[Timuchin]

Hi Loner,
There are a lot of very frustrated moms of AS kids out there. I'm having to deal with them in the AS fellowship in Jacksonville. Toilet training takes a LOT longer, for one thing. Introducing an AS kid into a world built for Normals is difficult. The schools are customized for Normals. It is even more difficult for Asperger parents who are trying to act normal and have to raise Asperger kids. They want a cure NOW!

The Normals are so clueless, they still use the phrase "Autism Spectrum" for both hereditary Aspergers and the heavy-metal damaged kids. There is a distinct difference! One difference is that the heavy-metal damaged kids can respond to chelation and the Gift of Miracles. Aspergers simply pass it on down the generations.

The hard part we Aspergers have is in forming our own self-supporting societies. Not only are we a minority, but we specialize in our interests. There are three main categories: math/music, engineering/science and visual arts/ theatre. Of the main niches, we choose high-level teaching, video games, military, engineering, religion, painting, physics, chemistry, forestry, orchestra, computer programming, etc. We specialize in our niches -- and find fellowship within that niche. All the network engineers are naturally lonely, because companies only hire one of them! Thank God for the internet.

It is easy to end up ripped off, used and humiliated by Normals, since they are adroit at lying and ganging up. Since we are blind to 'reading' people, all we can do is suspect Everyone. But there are people like us out there.

Another problem is buying into the idea that if we just "shaped up," we could become Normals like everyone else. Trying to make friends with Normals as a Normal wannabee only works for a short time. Since we are trying to become Normal, we reject people like ourselves. What a double-bind!

For male Aspergers, their self-confidence is too racked out to give girls the confidence and sensitivity they want. For female Aspergers, they are fair game for male bullies. Both roles end up very frustrating. I'll go into the answers for thosee problems in a later post.

 

[Lahmi]

1.Some of us want our kids to have a better shot at dealing with the world than we did.

2. It is possible to be able to cope with the folks on this mudball without losing yourself or your child in the process.

 

[Clark21]

Hi! I'm an aspie that's new to this forum. I must say that I agree with Lahmi on this one. I'm always trying to cope with the Normals of this planet. I've taken several different medications in order to do this, but it still is an ongoing problem for me.

 

[gratefulgrace]

I didn't know there were any drugs given to people with AS. If you care to answer, I would like to know what is usually used and for what purpose. gg

 

[gomatadors]

Hi Timuchin,

I can truly relate to what you are saying, especially about trying to "shape up". I do not reject anybody at all. However, I want and try so very hard to be "normal". You said that you will give us some answers "in a later post". Please do so soon!!!

 

[Timuchin]

Hi Timuchin,
I can truly relate to what you are saying, especially about trying to "shape up". I do not reject anybody at all. However, I want and try so very hard to be "normal". You said that you will give us some answers "in a later post". Please do so soon!!!

Oops, forgot.

First, we have to consciously learn the rules that come so easy to Normals. Here's two books:
The Unwritten Rules of Social Relationships by Grandin and Barron (two ASD's and a Normal) It contains ten rules that Normals assume you know -- and get [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed when you disobey.
1. Rules are not absolute. They are situation based and people-based.
2. Not everything is equally important in the grand scheme of things
3. Everyone in the world makes mistakes. It doesn't have to ruin your day.
4. Honesty is different from diplomacy. (hard one to swallow)
5. Being polite is appropriate in any situation
6. Not everyone who is nice to me is my friend.
7. People act differently in public than they do in private.
8. know when you're turning people off. (if you can)
9. "Fitting in" is often tied to looking and sounding like you fit in.
10. People are responsible for their own behaviors.

If you have to ask what those mean, you are ASD.

Book #2 is The Five Love Languages by Gary Chapman
We all carry a criterion with us, "If you love me you would ______." When we love someone, we show love in the way we know love. But it's different for each of us about 80% of the time!
Typical love language modes:
1. words of affection
2. quality time
3. receiving gifts
4. acts of service
5. physical touch.
The secret is to see what mode the object of your affection uses to express love and that is THEIR love language. Give that mode to them and they will be very happy. Then explain this to her, so she will give you your mode of love.

I have a business card that explains my condition (Aspergers) that I have, that I can hand out after introductions and some conversation. People will eventually see I'm "different," so it's better they find out why up front. They have been programmed to give "handicapped" people lots of slack. The other side of them will still appreciate your skills at acting normal.

In the meantime, see what you can do about the ASD, if anything:
1. google " b6 magnesium "
2. google " dmsa chelation "
3. google " antibody titer " Get a blood titer done to check your antibody levels. If any are too high, be a blood donor for a couple of times.
4. lastly, you can try breaking generational curses:
http://www.breakingfree.us/generational_curses.html

 

[gomatadors]

Thank you so very much!!!

 

[Timuchin]

Another topic you need to learn is body language. I don't have anything to recommend because I memorized all that over 20 years ago. Buy three of them and memorize them. Just don't get books on body language in the same arena. A business one, a social one and an aspergers one would round you out.

Remember; we keep the self-help book industry alive!

 

[EdmundPevensie]

I favour founding cure NT Now.

It would be a very boring world if we were all the same and lets face it almost all the medical advances we have would not be possible witout the science aspies plugging away with that hyper-focus.

Bless you Vespasia, and may your tribe increase!

I am the 37-year-old AS dad of a 6-year-old possibly-AS daughter, and as much as she aggravates me sometimes, I wouldn't change her personality for anything.

 

[Netbug009]

My thoughts of neurodiversity are abit mixed. I'm a bit confused by it all really. First I hear I have a bad mental illness after going to th mental ward several times they finally figure out that it's not light aspie and bad bipolar, but just really bad aspie. But then I com online ad hear a bunch of people talking about how neurodiversity is awesome an stuff. It's confusing.

 

[Timuchin]

As Rheinhold Neibuhr's prayer goes, "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference." That third part is the tough one.

Two years ago, when I was out on a Salvation Army canteen, I gave a drink to a man who had knobby knuckles. I asked if it were arthritis. He said yes and gave thanks to God for the arthritis because it taught him patience and endurance. I told Him I had seen Jesus heal arthritis, could I pray for his right hand? He first said no, but then gave me his right hand. After two minutes of prayer, he exclaimed, "The pain is gone! Praise the Lord!" But then he realized what he had just said .... He quickly went to his car and drove away!

Since I only found out I was Aspergers about a year ago, I'm still working it all out in my own mind. Right now I'm scheduled to see a shrink to get an official diagnosis so I can go see what vocational rehab and social security will do for me. But at the same time, I'm chelating for mercury and aluminum in case that's the cause. I'm also claiming Jesus' promise that no poison will harm me. I may be old, but I've been fighting this for 45 years!

 

[Lahmi]

and you should keep fightin Timuchin.

 

[Gizoux]

I think that trying to cure autism by 'fixing the genetic defect' is putting the cart before the horse. My son, diagnosed with high-functioning autism has seven times the safe amount of lead in his body. I think this has a lot to do with his behavior quirks. But if not, he's still the same boy to me.

I'm not looking forward to a 'cure' for autism as much as trying to remove their stumbling blocks like metal toxicity. I'd still love my kids the same.

I can understand your frustration, Loner, but if there are thousands who could benefit being free of the social blocks of autism or Asperger's, I can't see anything wrong with trying.

 

[Netbug009]

I think that trying to cure autism by 'fixing the genetic defect' is putting the cart before the horse. My son, diagnosed with high-functioning autism has seven times the safe amount of lead in his body. I think this has a lot to do with his behavior quirks. But if not, he's still the same boy to me.

I'm not looking forward to a 'cure' for autism as much as trying to remove their stumbling blocks like metal toxicity. I'd still love my kids the same.

I can understand your frustration, Loner, but if there are thousands who could benefit being free of the social blocks of autism or Asperger's, I can't see anything wrong with trying.

Wait, lead? What does that have to do with aspergers? How did that happened? Is it like, something you can get just by having autism? Details somebody?

 

[Timuchin]

Wait, lead? What does that have to do with aspergers? How did that happened? Is it like, something you can get just by having autism? Details somebody?

A bunch of metal ions can affect your cells including your nerve cells. Mercury is the most potent neurotoxin known to man. It is also damaging to all cells. It is a true anti-biotic; it kills everything.
Aluminum goes for the brain and messes it up.
Copper mimics mercury damage.
Lead messes up the nerves.
Even calcium can do damage in excess. At least this one gets consumed and goes away.

For more information, see: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/adult-metal-chelation/

 

[Netbug009]

Wait, so toxic metal issues can cause aspergers. That I get. I was just confused because it sounded like somehow having aspergers gave them the toxication.

 

[Gizoux]

My apologies, Netbug and thank you, Timuchin for the excellent explanation.

I'll add that I know this isn't the case for all AS and autistic sufferers, but plenty of them have their symptoms disappear when they have the toxic levels of these metals removed. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with my son when he has the treatment. And I'll love him the same regardless the outcome.

 

[Fish and Bread]

I am strongly opposed to effort to "cure" Asperger's Syndrome and high-functioning autism. While it's true that it can be disabling for many people and make their lives very difficult, it's not really a disease as such. It's a different way of viewing and interacting with the world, a different way of thinking. We're more honest, appreciate order and stability more, are more straight forward in social interaction, and so forth -- and none of these things are necessarily bad traits, they just disadvantage us in a neurotypical world.

Honestly, in some ways, the effort to "cure" autism can almost be thought of as akin to genocide -- trying to wipe out a whole race or class of people, or even wiping an entire religion off the earth forcibly. I know people trying to find a "cure" think they're doing a good thing and probably aren't morally culpable, but in a way that's part of what makes it so scary to me. I watch hockey games where they are merrily talking about it being "cure autism" night and it being a charitable thing to do. Can you imagine if sports teams and such held nights devoted to find ways of "curing Christianity" or "curing blacks" through medicine or somesuch like it was doing everyone a favor? It's something we as a society don't even seem to know we should be ashamed of.

I worry in a few generations there will be no one like me. And I feel that's going to be a loss to the world. Granted, I am not really a productive person in traditional senses of the term, but isn't there more to the worth of a human being than productivity? Isn't there some value in being unique? We can create a world where everyone is basically the same, basically normal, one day -- I have little doubt of that given the way technology seems to be advance -- but why would we want to? We'd have missed out on many of the great thinkers and scientists and artists and religious leaders if things had always been that way. And missed out on a lot of folks who might not be "worth" much in a capitalistic sense, but who have enriched the lives and the thinking of their lovers or friends or colleagues, or even just existed and had no impact, but made the world a more interesting diverse place.