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Constantine the great was the one who is credited with being the first Roman Emperor to become a Christian and making the Roman empire a Christian Empire.

I've always had a problem with this 'sign in the sky' and it being a symbol for Christianity. This is one of Raphael's students version of this, notice the flying dragon in the sky and the little man in the lower right corner, odd.
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According to legend, Constantine I adopted this Greek phrase, "ἐν τούτῳ νίκα" (in this, win) as a motto after his vision of a chi rho in the sky just before the Battle of Milvian Bridge against Maxentius on 28 October 312. The early Christian symbol consists of a monogram composed of the Greek letters chi (X) and rho (P),

The historian Eusebius states that Constantine was marching with his army (Eusebius does not specify the actual location of the event, but it is clearly not in the camp at Rome), when he looked up to the sun and saw a cross of light above it, and with it the Greek words "ἐν τούτῳ νίκα" ("In this, conquer"), often rendered in Latin as In hoc signo vinces ("in this sign, you will conquer"). At first, Constantine did not know the meaning of the apparition, but on the following night, he had a dream in which Christ explained to him that he should use the sign of the cross against his enemies. Eusebius then continues to describe the Labarum, the military standard used by Constantine in his later wars against Licinius, showing the Chi-Rho sign.

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In this Conquer. But this was not a 'Holy war' these were two heathens fighting. Constantine was in a 'war' against a Roman Emperor, Maxentius, his own Brother in law, fighting for power, not a good cause.

So what do we make of everything that came out of that? Should we really believe that this 'sign in the sky' was really from G-d or was it something else?

I came across this and wanted to share with you to see what opinions or research anyone has done on it.

In a bas relief tablet found in ancient Sumaria there is a glowing cross in the sky pictured. This symbol was described by them as being what they called 'nibiru' calling it 'the planet of the crossing'. This was way before Yeshua walked the earth and Moses wrote the Torah.

It is interesting that this sign, this cross in Cuneiform meant 'divine' and later evolved into the Hebrew letter 'tav'.

See this depiction of the letter here.

This is an interesting site that speaks of the crossing, mostly pictures for those that don't like to read too much.
 

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I know this thread is over a year old but there were no responses to it so I am using it for other purposes. :)

Thing is I can't start a new thread, haven't been able to for about a week. I've pm'd the Tech Admin, no reply (he didn't even read it) I tried the chat box, they tried to help thinking I didn't know where it was ( 14 yr veteran here ;) ) I tried the help forum (George the mod pm'd me but hasn't answered) I can't post in some of the Member help forums so I don't know what to do.

Sooo, I thought I'd post this and ask you all if you have had your New Thread button disappear. I think I asked in another thread but no answer so I will keep bumping this til I do!:D:wave:

Thanks to any that pay attention to this, appreciate it greatly!
 
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I know this thread is over a year old but there were no responses to it so I am using it for other purposes. :)

Thing is I can't start a new thread, haven't been able to for about a week. I've pm'd the Tech Admin, no reply (he didn't even read it) I tried the chat box, they tried to help thinking I didn't know where it was ( 14 yr veteran here ;) ) I tried the help forum (George the mod pm'd me but hasn't answered) I can't post in some of the Member help forums so I don't know what to do.

Sooo, I thought I'd post this and ask you all if you have had your New Thread button disappear. I think I asked in another thread but no answer so I will keep bumping this til I do!:D:wave:

Thanks to any that pay attention to this, appreciate it greatly!

Lulav,

I just signed in to see if the 'New Thread' button appears on my computer. It does. Why on yours it does not, I haven't a clue, but I'm old and barely get around on these contraptions. I do hope for you the issue is favorably resolved soon.

ciaou.
 
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Thank you both, I don't know why it only seems to be happening to me?

Take a look this is a partial screen shot, and you can see the empty space where it should be but isn't.
 

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Thank you both, I don't know why it only seems to be happening to me?

Take a look this is a partial screen shot, and you can see the empty space where it should be but isn't.

Well I can clearly see on your screenshot the button is missing. ??? Very strange indeed.

Wish I knew the answer.

But, iirc, there are folks here that are sharp on things computer-wise. Hope they help soon.

Pace, shalom.
 
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Well any devout Roman Catholic will be able to tell you right away that Constantine's "cross" really was no cross at all, it was actually a "Chi Rho" which just so happens to form a "cross". This image of "Chi Rho" is most familiar among ancient pagan priest as "the keys to heaven and hell", but is also familiar in Plato's Timaeus, and also prior was depicted on some coins of Ptolemy III Euergetes 246–222 BC.

Anyways the symbol beforehand has much equivalent to the sacred rights and symbology similar to that displayed by Pharaohs and Egyptian high priest of the "Crook and Flail" which is also paired with an ankh carried by high priest and Pharaohs alike, symbolic of authority granted by the gate keepers of Heaven (Isis), and Hell (Osiris) producing an ascending heir and son Horus who is usually depicted with the Ankh (The Egyptian Cross)

Anyways the reason why I bring in Egyptian mythology is because it's very pictorial, but strangely enough all occultic faiths are similar in doctrine across the board only having different names for their various idol's. The Idol that would be closer affiliated with the Roman occultic doctrine would instead be Janus and as for the "Chi Rho" before it became the monogram of "Christ", the Chi Rho was the monogram of Chronos.

Also a good factoid not known by many is that the Roman Emperor also carried the title of Pontifex Maximus (Latin, literally: "greatest pontiff") was the high priest of the College of Pontiffs (Collegium Pontificum) in ancient Rome. In other words Constantine was not only Emperor but he was also head of the Occultic Rite and organization of Paganism as a whole in Rome. Constantine NEVER abandoned this roll, and even its practices, and "sacred rights" up until his death. People just assume because he officiated over "Christian Councils" that he too was a "Christian" ...the fact is up until the nearing of his death in the midst of what is commonly referred to as "The Arian Controversy" on Constantine's death bed he was then Baptized by Eusebius of Nicomedia who he himself exiled for rejecting Trinitarian doctrines.

To say the least about "Constantine's Vision of the Cross", it is very ecumenical in the least because it uses occult ideology to make false or faked attribution to the Christian Messiah.

Understanding this too also helps you understand the occultic side of the Roman Catholic insiders infatuation with Peters "Keys to Heaven and Hell."
 
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Yes, the button is visible here.

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: a time to keep silence, and a time to speak. (Ecc 3)

Perhaps this is your time to keep silent. Rejoice, for He hath made everything beautiful in His time. (Ecc 3:11)
 
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Yes, the button is visible here.

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: a time to keep silence, and a time to speak. (Ecc 3)

Perhaps this is your time to keep silent. Rejoice, for He hath made everything beautiful in His time. (Ecc 3:11)
:D If that were the case I think I wouldn't be able to post anywhere! ;)

I can't do too much now as it is, I'm having complications from having shingles and haven't been able to breath very well so posting on here is helping me to keep sane!

Someone suggested to me in PM that it might be my browser, I use firefox, anyone else using it here?
 
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everything else is a mess but I did some experimenting and in the mobile mode I see I do have a New Thread button. So until the powers that be look into this I guess I'll just switch to that mode to start a post and then switch back so I can read it! :)
 
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Ok, back in the normal now, but it took forever to figure out how to get back to the regular pc mode. I ended up having to sign out, even hitting the back button kept all my previous pages in the mobile mode when the weren't originally.

Oh well.
 
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:D If that were the case I think I wouldn't be able to post anywhere! ;)

I can't do too much now as it is, I'm having complications from having shingles and haven't been able to breath very well so posting on here is helping me to keep sane!

Someone suggested to me in PM that it might be my browser, I use firefox, anyone else using it here?

Sorry about the complications and the breathing troubles you're having. I had read in another post that the shingles spread to your face, that has to be aweful!

Anyway, glad you figured it out...somewhat. (Don't want you going insane :p)
 
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Sorry about the complications and the breathing troubles you're having. I had read in another post that the shingles spread to your face, that has to be aweful!

Anyway, glad you figured it out...somewhat. (Don't want you going insane :p)
Thank you, I'd appreciate any prayer offered. I hoped it would clear up but it seems to be getting worse so I think I'll do what I hate, make and appointment with my Dr tomorrow. The shingles started in my ear and then involved my whole left side of my face. I've been to the eye doctor three times now and they are hoping it hasn't involved the eye nerves which could be dangerous. The shingles are gone now but I have the remaining nerve damage to the edge of my eye, by my ear and the whole left side of my nose. I think it might also be internal which could be what's causing the breathing difficulties. I hope this doesn't get worse because I have my bulldogge going into surgery (she has cancerous tumors, one quite large) on Wednesday and I have to be able to take care of her post op. Sorry for crying on your shoulder.

I had someone suggest it might be my browser so I tried IE and I have the button in there but don't like using IE.
 
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I was having problems with constantly getting a not responding and went to find a solution. I took off some of the add-ons but nothing that should have affected one button on here. It's a lot faster now, but if I recall correctly the button was missing before I did that. :scratch:

Thanks for letting me know you have FF pat, I think the java does auto and flash I remember something about that recently but not sure what.
 
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:D If that were the case I think I wouldn't be able to post anywhere! ;)

I can't do too much now as it is, I'm having complications from having shingles and haven't been able to breath very well so posting on here is helping me to keep sane!

Someone suggested to me in PM that it might be my browser, I use firefox, anyone else using it here?

...we obviously are not of the same mind on some issues, and not all sisters and brothers get along, but they still love each other. Shoot, if I known you were dealing with that stuff I would have been more softballish with you. I hope you get better, shingles is a horrible thing to have to deal with. In fact Im sorry about being a little too firey ...Im used to intense midrashings and sometimes I forget that not all people are playing the same game.
 
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...we obviously are not of the same mind on some issues, and not all sisters and brothers get along, but they still love each other. Shoot, if I known you were dealing with that stuff I would have been more softballish with you. I hope you get better, shingles is a horrible thing to have to deal with. In fact Im sorry about being a little too firey ...Im used to intense midrashings and sometimes I forget that not all people are playing the same game.

Thank you for your apology and I too should apologize to you but you did misunderstand me, I was trying to help keep you out of trouble, but with my troubles I most probably did not word it to a stranger to the forum in the proper manner. :blush: Forgive me. :sorry:
 
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Oh, its no big deal, you shouldnt feel guilty for that.

If I get in trouble, I get in trouble. I am an enemy of all Romanist doctrines and so I expect backlash. Im also fully aware of the debates within both the Hebrew Roots, and Messianic circles that are touchy, and some of them I studied well into. I know when Im pushing the envelope, but what is a good forum without a good midrash? ...its all a refining process of removing the dross, or as iron sharpens iron. No limp feather is going to sharpen any iron, and you cant remove any dross if there is no fire under your crucible.

Its all done in a passion for the Truth.
 
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Constantine the great was the one who is credited with being the first Roman Emperor to become a Christian and making the Roman empire a Christian Empire.

I've always had a problem with this 'sign in the sky' and it being a symbol for Christianity. This is one of Raphael's students version of this, notice the flying dragon in the sky and the little man in the lower right corner, odd.


...Constantine certainly did not patronize Christianity alone. After gaining victory in the Battle of the Milvian Bridge (312), a triumphal arch—the Arch of Constantine—was built (315) to celebrate his triumph. The arch is decorated with images of the goddess Victoria....

Source: Wikipedia - Constantine the Great



Is this victory for victory sake or for the righteousness of Christ sake?



Mark 8:36 King James Version (KJV)

36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?



This might shed some light.


Numbers 13:33 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

33 and there we saw the Nephilim, sons of Anak, of the Nephilim; and we are in our own eyes as grasshoppers; and so we were in their eyes.'
 
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