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The whole, "this group of people is less worthy than my group of people" thing is kinda similar. The CFA did not have access to 20th century weaponry though.The Nazis were never a significant part of this country. Pretty obvious.
None of this is relevant. The origins of the war are not what a veterans' monument is commemorating. It's the sacrifice of the men, and it's well-known that preserving slavery was the farthest thing from the minds of the footsoldiers who volunteered on both sides of the war.
So when you travel to asia you will look down your nose at all the people/signs/buildings with swatikas on them?
The flag of the United States of America symbolizes a country that committed the genocide of Native Americans, but nobody is saying that it is wrong to fly the U.S. flag.
That sensationalist claim has been disproved. You can give it a rest now.
Ok. Forget the racism attached to the flag. How about it's connection to secession, treason and rebellion? That alone would make any flag like the confederate flag illegal in just about every country on earth. Most places don't let you fly the flags of enemy nations... A basic unspoken rule of civics is that you don't fly the flag of a nation that declared war against your country. Especially if that nation purposely chose to separate itself from your nation.Excellent to see this wisdom. Liberal news spinning has only confused the Confederate Flag with racism. The Civil War wasn't begun over slavery. Slavery wasn't even part of the issue until it got politically thrown into the mix two years after the war began. So many negative comments made against the Confederate Flag by so many drifters of the hard blowing wind...
I'd say that it would be necessary to show that the flag does in fact 'stand for slavery.' Seems pretty obvious to me, yet I notice that you didn't even make an attempt at doing that.
I never know who has the authority to determine what a symbol stands for.
The flag of the United States of America symbolizes a country that committed the genocide of Native Americans, but nobody is saying that it is wrong to fly the U.S. flag.
I say what matters more is the intent of the flyer.
Of course, the flyer needs to be aware of both symbol's baggage, and be prepared to explain themselves if they fly them.
I'm an Australian. And while I'm not disagreeing with you specifically, you should know that the rest of the world doesn't have the same relationship and understanding of issues like "the N word" or "blackface" as Americans do.Actually my comparing it to the Nazi flag was my attempt at that. I'd think everyone would think flying the Nazi flag is bad (especially if you are German). The same reason would apply to the Confederate flag.
The Confederate flag is the flag of the Confederate States of America. The main reason for the Confederacy was the retain slavery. So that is what the flag stands for.
I don't think one requires an authority to have a reasonable opinion.
I don't think it does symbolize that. Such actions weren't the main core identity of the US.
If someone is genuinely ignorant, then it wouldn't make them racist. But I don't think good intentions make an action okay.
You might called a black person the N word with good intentions... but once you know why it's bad, you should probably stop.
Paradoxum, you're from the UK right? Does anyone there (that is a UK born and raised citizen) fly the American flag? I would kind of see that as the same thing. Well if anyone actually did that, you all seem a little more reasonable than us in a lot of ways.
I'm an Australian. And while I'm not disagreeing with you specifically, you should know that the rest of the world doesn't have the same relationship and understanding of issues like "the N word" or "blackface" as Americans do.
IMHO, the confederate flag and even a NAZI flag aren't directly comparable to calling someone "the N word". One is a direct action towards someone else, the other is making a general statement about one's self.
No doubt the cultural imperialist in the thread will tell us how these people are evil horrible racist.
Because you know, if a symbol means something to an American it's gotta mean that everywhere.
IIRC, it's a themed wedding. In Asia, Nazis are just seen as "cool baddies" by many people, much like how we view pirates here in the West. The intent is roughly as racist as a themed Star Wars wedding here.
I think it's the left becoming ever more radical and hysterical as they push for more and more government totalitarianism. It will only end when the oppression becomes so burdensome and persecutory even to those on the left, that a movement grows large enough to throw off the yoke. I hope that happens before the left turns the Bill of Rights into a roll of toilet paper.
I already agreed anyone flying it should be aware of the baggage and prepared to explain themselves. But if someone flies it for precisely that reason (I don't fly one, but own several, for, I contend, this exact reason) and they tell you that reason, and generally present themselves as being supportive of racial equality and justice at law, is it a racist symbol?
Yeah it's still a racist symbol even if the person flying it claims they are not racist. It's like an atheist having crucifixes and crosses in his yard and saying "to me it doesn't represent God and Christianity". They are still symbols of Christianity even if it doesn't seem that way to you. It doesn't make sense, it's illogical to fly symbols of something if you don't believe in or agree with what those symbols represent. It makes a person look crazy. An atheist would look crazy having crosses and crucifixes in their yard yet saying they are atheist and don't believe in Christianity and those symbols don't mean Christianity to them. You would think deep down that atheist really believes in God and is lying to himself.... And even you claim it doesn't represent that to you, still to most people who see crosses and crucifixes, it represents God or Christianity just like no matter how much you try to say that confederate rag doesn't mean the same to you, to most people that's what it represents.
Here are some facts about the civil war, much was not taught in history class but more and more are becoming aware today. much of this I have read but most I learned from 2nd hand accounts, old men that were eye witnesses to what really happened in those days.
1) - slavery was not an issue, it was part of it but not why the war was fought. the majority of southerners did not even own slaves. Most of them were small farmers who worked their farms with their families. do you really think the average farmer or poor working man is going to go to war, risk his life, make his wife a widow and kids fatherless just so a rich plantation owner can keep his right to have slaves
2) the south was being bled dry by economic restrictions from the union., and they felt like they were losing their rights and freedoms as the federal government was oppressing their state rights. this was the big deal that pushed the south over the edge
There is a reason why so many refer to it as The War of Northern Aggression
I'm an Australian
I have no doubt that many who fought for the Confederacy were simply fighting for their home; but these were men dragged into a conflict by the rich and powerful of the south--who generally owned slaves and for which reason they were willing to go to war.
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