The common thread in Trump's defenders

[Zaha Torte]

The base crime was a misdemeanor, but it was upgraded to a felony because it was done in pursuit of another crime.

What was this other crime?

 

[Zaha Torte]

I understood your claim; I just don't assume that the standard for disclosure is as high as you do. You're assuming that the judge substantiated at least part of the claim (i.e. the part about the poster being a cousin of a juror), whereas I think it's plausible that the judge would be required to inform the parties of the claim as soon as he became aware that the claim was made.

So, anyone at any time could make any claim about any case and this would require all judges to respond in order to be transparent?

That sounds very unreasonable to me and would bog down the entire system.

 

[Fantine]

Hope springs eternal, illuvatar.

 

[iluvatar5150]

What was this other crime?

I answered this in post 142 ...and post 150 ...and 170.

So, anyone at any time could make any claim about any case and this would require all judges to respond in order to be transparent?

That sounds very unreasonable to me and would bog down the entire system.

I guess we'll find out.

 

[Zaha Torte]

I answered this in post 142 ...and post 150 ...and 170.

Why not spell it out for me?

What exactly did Trump do?

I guess we'll find out.

You think that is a reasonable requirement for all judges?

To respond to every social media post that makes claims about a case?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

The trial was about ELECTION fraud. This is what elevated the nda to a felony. Not the EXPIRED misdemeanor.
1. The misdemeanor is mentioned here
A copy and paste from your link
"When a prosecution for an offense is lawfully commenced within the prescribed period of limitation therefor, and when an accusatory instrument upon which such prosecution is based is subsequently dismissed by an authorized court under directions or circumstances"

2. The permitting of another charge ( Election fraud, a federal crime, a felony) For the same issues....

copy and paste continued
" permitting the lodging of another charge for the same offense or an offense based on the same conduct, the period extending from the commencement of the thus defeated prosecution to the dismissal of the accusatory instrument does not constitute a part of the period of limitation" as the first misdemeanor charge"

3. They said since they are finding charge , it would not be part and parcel to the limitations...... of the first charge (misdemeanor)

Either way you slice this
This is about an nda...

You are wasting your time explaining. The only concern of the left is destroying Trump. Even if they destroy the country in the process. They will gladly embrace mutually assured destruction if it means Trump is destroyed.

 

[iluvatar5150]

The misdemeanor was an FBI investigation.

That sentence doesn't even make any sense.


Neither did we see a distinction in most part of the trial. That is why scholars on T.V. kept asking what is the crime?

Trumps lawyers asked several times what the charges were. He never got an answer. We did not find out what they were going for until the last few weeks.

That isn't true. This decision, handed down by the judge on Feb 15 (two months before the trial began), describes the "other crimes" that the prosecution intended to allege:

https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/People-v-DonaldTrump2-15-24Decision.pdf

The relevant part starts on pg 26:

Nonetheless, the People have identified four theories which they intend to present at trial. Specifically, that Defendant intended to violate FFICA, Election Law $ 17-152, Tax Law SS 1801(a)(3), and that Defendant "intended to commit or conceal the falsification of other business records."

Therefor, the people will be limited to only those theories which they have already identified and are hereby precluded from introducing any new or different "other crime" theories at trial.

The surrounding text is worth reading, but the copy-paste is kind of busted and I don't feel like fixing any more of it, so that's all I'll quote here.

Suffice it to say, Trump's team knew exactly what the "other crimes" were, because the prosecution had already identified them and the judge prevented them from brining up any new ones.

A person has a right to know exactly what he is being charged. Obviously, you cannot prepare a proper defense without a clear knowledge of what you are defending against.......

Trump's lawyers made that case, and the judge agreed with them, which is why he issued the decision I just quoted, two months ahead of the trial.

I will listen to the legal scholars on this case. And that is also how I will look at these links...and the legalese, which is meant to be confusing. All seeing MANY problems here.

What scholars are you listening to? Because you seem to have some pretty fundamental misunderstandings of the basic facts of this case.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

The base crime was a misdemeanor, but it was upgraded to a felony because it was done in pursuit of another crime.

What other crime? In know you don't know because nobody knows. The judge even told the jury to use their imagination. SO WHAT WAS THE FEDERAL CRIME?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Why not spell it out for me?

Because I've already spelled it out for other people.

What is it with you guys and not wanting to do any reading for yourselves?

You think that is a reasonable requirement for all judges?

To respond to every social media post that makes claims about a case?

I don't have much of an opinion on what is "reasonable" in this case.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

No, the trial was about business records fraud.

Therefore, the charges were well past the statutes of limitations and should have been dismissed...period.

 

[ralliann]

Why not spell it out for me?

That the money for the non disclosure was a campaign contribution

What exactly did Trump do?

Paid stormy Daniels to keep mum, a legal transaction.

You think that is a reasonable requirement for all judges?

To respond to every social media post that makes claims about a case?

odd

 

[iluvatar5150]

What other crime? In know you don't know because nobody knows. The judge even told the jury to use their imagination. SO WHAT WAS THE FEDERAL CRIME?

This is a Poe, right?

 

[ralliann]

You are wasting your time explaining. The only concern of the left is destroying Trump. Even if they destroy the country in the process. They will gladly embrace mutually assured destruction if it means Trump is destroyed.

You are right. This will all come out when this goes through appeal anyway.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Politically motivated is all that really needs to be said.

Apparently, that's all that needs to be alleged. And once that's been done, facts can be ignored over and over again.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

No, it hadn't expired.

Yes it did unless there was evidence that proved Trump was trying to cover up a federal crime. There are literally only two legal possibilities:

1. Trump falsified documents to cover up a federal crime. Which would result in a federal trial.

2. Trump is charged with falsifying documents in violation of state law which will inevitably be tossed out because it is past the statue of limitation.

However, the left decided, screw it! We will have our cake and eat it to. We are going to convict Trump for federal crimes in a state court without providing any evidence that such crime had occurred under the presence that a state law was violated long after the statute of limitations.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Because I've already spelled it out for other people.

You did? I saw you make claims and list charges - but I did not see an explanation.

What is it with you guys and not wanting to do any reading for yourselves?

What is it with you guys being unable to explain what you supposedly read?

I don't have much of an opinion on what is "reasonable" in this case.

Why is that? You seem pretty opinionated to me.

 

[Zaha Torte]

That the money for the non disclosure was a campaign contribution

How so?

Paid stormy Daniels to keep mum, a legal transaction.

Is this the crime?

odd

I would think so.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

This is a Poe, right?

No. What was the federal crime that Trump was covering up! There was none. Which is why the judge told the jury to literally make it up! If they BELIEVED Trump was concealing a federal offense, regardless of any evidence, by golly, that is good enough for him.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Is this the crime?

Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to it.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to it.

Is it a crime?