The circular argument of God and miracles

[Loudmouth]

The Holy Spirit who testifies with our spirit to the Truth of The Word of God

Yet another claim made by human beings, and without any evidence to back it up.

The written word of God does not contradict the Voice and Spirit of God and the Voice and Spirit of God does not contradict His Written Word

Yet another claim without evidence.

 

[Albion]

Yet another claim without evidence.

It's not especially controversial to say that God doesn't contradict himself.

 

[Loudmouth]

It's not especially controversial to say that God doesn't contradict himself.

The people who wrote the Bible were not God.

 

[miknik5]

The people who wrote the Bible were not God.

The people born of His Spirit testify by That Witness who also testifies with our spirit to the Truth of Gods testimony which He has given us of His Son

The law required that two or three witnesses had to testify to validate a truth


It isn't just men who will testify

 

[Loudmouth]

The people born of His Spirit testify by That Witness who also testifies with our spirit to the Truth of Gods testimony which He has given us of His Son

Yet another claim without evidence.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Information itself cannot misinform, intelligence uses information to misinform, either deliberately or accidentally. Intelligence can also misinterpret information, either deliberately or accidentally.

Intelligence can also use information to convey the truth, thankfully

I don't think intelligence is necessary. My preferred understanding of information in philosophy is that outside the context of an interpreter that can interpret it (which need not be intelligent), it is just data which, in itself, has no meaning. Once it reaches an interpreter for which it has meaning, it can be seen as information, and can be interpreted (this is obviously different from what information means in physics). IOW information is data that has meaning to some system that can interpret it.

So, for example, the punched cards ready for Jaquard's loom contain data, which of itself, has no meaning. Once fed into the loom's controller, the data becomes information because it informs the loom how to proceed.

This is just my way of establishing a functional relation between data and information through meaning.

It also seems to me that unintelligent systems can, and do, do all that you invoke intelligence for above (except the deliberate actions, of course).

 

[Albion]

The people who wrote the Bible were not God.

According to the Bible, they wrote as he inspired them to write.

 

[devolved]

OK... but that's about vitrification of glassy melts, and the example you gave was of a frozen piece of glass coming out of the fridge. Not quite the same (I have the uncomfortable feeling I've missed a chunk of this discussion somewhere).

Interesting article though! vitrification seems particularly complicated, but even the water to ice or ice to water phase change takes some careful thought.

I've re-read my original post, and I have to admit to be guilty of autopilot typing that's worthy of correction.

I think the adequate point would be that structural order would follow certain entropic principle of heat transfer, but it wouldn't depend on it.

For example:

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2004/sep/24/law-breaking-liquid-defies-the-rules

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I've re-read my original post, and I have to admit to be guilty of autopilot typing that's worthy of correction.

I think the adequate point would be that structural order would follow certain entropic principle of heat transfer, but it wouldn't depend on it.

For example:

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2004/sep/24/law-breaking-liquid-defies-the-rules

Yes, that's pretty strange!

 

[Loudmouth]

According to the Bible, they wrote as he inspired them to write.

Yes, according to people. Those would be the words of the human authors who wrote the Bible.

 

[Albion]

Yes, according to people.

Not according to "people," but according to the words of Scripture itself.

 

[Loudmouth]

Not according to "people," but according to the words of Scripture itself.

People wrote the scriptures.

 

[Albion]

People wrote the scriptures.

But all you're saying is that we believe the Bible to be divine revelation and you do not...and yes, we do.

That aside, it's not as though some men came up with the idea that the words of the Bible might be what God intended. The Bible itself states that this is the case.

 

[Loudmouth]

But all you're saying is that we believe the Bible to be divine revelation and you do not...and yes, we do.

Just because you believe something does not make it the truth.

That aside, it's not as though some men came up with the idea that the words of the Bible might be what God intended. The Bible itself states that this is the case.

The Bible itself was written by men. It is men coming up with the idea.

 

[Albion]

Just because you believe something does not make it the truth.

We all know that.

The Bible itself was written by men. It is men coming up with the idea.

As you said, just because you believe something does not make it the truth.

 

[Loudmouth]

As you said, just because you believe something does not make it the truth.

It is a fact that people wrote the Bible.

 

[miknik5]

It is a fact that people wrote the Bible.

It is a fact that the written word of God is a well fitted puzzle. A picture and a parallel speaking and pointing us to all the hidden truths found in Christ Jesus

It is a fact that the Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy

It is a fact that those born of His Spirit testify to This Truth by The Witness in us who testifies with our spirit to the testimony of God

 

[Loudmouth]

It is a fact that the written word of God is a well fitted puzzle.

That is a claim, not a fact.

A picture and a parallel speaking and pointing us to all the hidden truths found on Christ Jesus

Also a claim without evidence to back it.

It is a fact that the Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy

It is a fact that those born of His Spirit testify to This Truth

And yet more claims with no evidence to back them.

 

[Albion]

It is a fact that people wrote the Bible.

The issue is entirely a matter of who dictated what they wrote down. When you say "people wrote," that doesn't mean anything more than saying "a typewriter wrote" would mean.

 

[Loudmouth]

The issue is entirely a matter of who dictated what they wrote down. When you say "people wrote," that doesn't mean anything more than saying "a typewriter wrote" would mean.

Pretty sure it does mean more. People can write stories. Typewriters can't.

What you need to produce is evidence that a deity inspired anything.