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I checked the map in the back of my Bible and between the province of Thrace and the province of Asia there is no city mentioned there. The closest is Troas. So I'm calling you on your map thing. Please post evidence that Constantinople existed a few hundred years before Constantine.
Most would say their doctrines can be based in scripture alone, not on Tradition, and they did not "develop" in the manner you mentioned. I'm not sure I entirely agree with the point, but that would largely be the response. Perhaps outline a doctrine that you see developed within a denomination?
I cannot believe that Pentecostals believe that first century Christians, and especially biblical passages about them, teach talking in "ecstatic tongues" yet they treat their own "tongues" as either angelic languages or ecstatic sounds rather than human languages.
That is exactly what they believe, from my understanding, using appropriate scripture to back up the idea. I don't agree with it at all, FWIW.
I honestly don't know WHAT you believe. I have not 'heard' your beliefs. And it's a tiny bit pompous to even suggest that by rejecting YOUR beliefs I put myself in any sort of danger with God. As if I did reject your beliefs, which I can't because I don't know what you believe.
Or not. Who knows.
Constantinople evolved into a leading Church. After Constantine set up the town as the new Imperial city. Sure. Fourth century.
If you ignore perhaps the canons of the council of Nicea, or ignore the listing of bishops in all of the Patriarchal Sees as recorded in Eusebius, maybe you could just possibly come to that conclusion with eyes tightly shut.
The bishop of Constantinople really wanted to consider himself important, more important than the Patriarchal Sees of Antioch and Alexandria and Rome (and Jerusalem later). Those were the four main Sees of the Christian faith. But now Constantinople was to be considered a fifth Patriarchal see, and their claim was that because the Emperor was there the bishop should be the most important bishop. New Rome was not only a civic term but a term the ecclesial establishment in Constantinople wanted to refer to themselves. We see this very thing later as the Moscow diocese claims to be a Patriarchal See as the new new Rome. They don't like at all the idea of being under the Patriarch of Constantinople. So they claim to have superseded Constantinople as the diocese of Constantinople claims to have superseded the Diocese of Rome. In reality the Patriarchs are equal, with the Patriarch of Rome considered in the Ecumenical councils to be 'first among equals'. That's just the documentation. Sometimes such language is tolerated by the modern Orthodox and sometimes they see the Catholic Church about the same way the LDS sees it. But there were four ancient Patriarchal Sees (Antioch and Rome and Alexandria and (a bit later) Jerusalem) and Constantinople got added later.
Are you speaking of the Council of Nicea in 325AD? Your own reference in fact supports my position. FYI - the same council that removed the Apocryphal books. Just an interesting pont
By quoting items from 325?
Yup.
Nope.
I’m just wondering how you handle canon six from the Council of Nicea and canon three from the Council of Constantinople?
And what of the records for the principal Sees of Christianity, that include the See of Rome from before there ever was a See of Constantinople?
Right after you recognize we are speaking of the exact same time period.
From Iraneous, Pliny, Tragen, and the actual writings of the first 300 years of Christianity.
It didn't begin in Rome that's correct. However after Constantine asked for a compilation of the most important writings for Christians, the world's Bishops got together during the councils of Hippo and Carthage, Rome began to be the center of western Christianity especially after St Jeromes translations in The Latin Vulgate. Before that, the Bible had been written in Greek and Hebrew. As Rome expanded, so did Roman (or Latin Rite) Christianity.
Not sure what that time period is when you speak of Constantinople before Constantine. Or are you now saying Constantinople only became a major See AFTER Constantine? THAT I could agree with.
Tragen I don't know at all. Never heard of that dude. Just maybe you mean the emperor Trajan? He wrote one paragraph about Christians, and nothing at all about their locations. So not really relevant here I'd think. Correct me if I'm wrong. Or if you actually mean some guy named Tragen.
