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The Christian Position on Evolution?

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Here is what some prominent Christian denominations (and one Jewish organization) are saying about creation and evolution:

UNITED PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH IN THE U.S.A.

[relevant part of a resolution adopted by the Assembly]

Therefore, the Program Agency recommends to the 194th General Assembly (1982) the adoption of the following affirmation:
Affirms that, despite efforts to establish "creationism" or "creation-science" as a valid science, it is teaching based upon a particular religious dogma as agreed by the court (McLean vs Arkansas Board of Education); Affirms that, the imposition of a fundamentalist viewpoint about the interpretation of Biblical literature -- where every word is taken with uniform literalness and becomes an absolute authority on all matters, whether moral, religious, political, historical or scientific -- is in conflict with the perspective on Biblical interpretation characteristically maintained by Biblical scholars and theological schools in the mainstream of Protestantism, Roman Catholicism and Judaism. Such scholars find that the scientific theory of evolution does not conflict with their interpretation of the origins of life found in Biblical literature.



UNITED METHODIST CHURCH
(one branch - see post below which provides the UMC's nuetral position)

Whereas, "Scientific" creationism seeks to prove that natural history conforms absolutely to the Genesis account of origins; and,

Whereas, adherence to immutable theories is fundamentally antithetical to the nature of science; and,

Whereas, "Scientific" creationism seeks covertly to promote a particular religious dogma; and,

Whereas, the promulgation of religious dogma in public schools is contrary to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution; therefore,

Be it resolved that The Iowa Annual Conference opposes efforts to introduce "Scientific" creationism into the science curriculum of the public schools.

Passed June 1984, Iowa Annual Conference of the United Methodist Church.


THE LUTHERAN WORLD FEDERATION
[excerpts]



Rather, the evolutionary dynamisms of today's world compel a more realistic confrontation. One area of reality after another has been analyzed and described on the basis of some kind of progressive change until the whole may be viewed as a single process. The standpoint of the one who views this unitary development may be avowedly atheistic in the sense of ruling out the supernatural (Sir Julian Huxley) or just as avowedly Christian in the sense of finding in evolution an infusion of new life into Christianity, with Christianity alone dynamic enough to unify the world with God (Teilhard de Chardin).

. . .



With biological evolution (ostensibly a matter of pure science) thereby becoming a metaphysics of evolution it needs to be determined whether religion's proper quarrel is with the science which permits itself such dogmatic extension or whether the misgivings are primarily with the particular philosophical interpretation involved. To the evolutionary concept in general there are however (in spite of innumerable variations) basically two religious reactions.


As in the days of the Scopes trial all evolution may still be denied on the grounds of a literalistic interpretation of the Bible, especially Genesis 111. Not content with the commitment of faith in the Creator expressed in the First Article of the Apostles' Creed this interpretation may demand a specific answer also to the questions of when creation occurred and how long it took. On the premise of a literal acceptance of the Scriptures as authoritative also in matters of science the whole of past existence is comprehended within the limited time span of biblical chronologies and genealogies. The vastness of astronomical time with its incredible number of light years may be accounted for as an instantaneous arrival of light and the eras of geological and biological time with their strata, fossils, and dinosaurs pointing to the existence of life and death on the earth ages before the arrival of man may be reduced to one literal week of creative activity.

On the other hand there are those who can no more close their eyes to the evidence which substantiates some kind of lengthy evolutionary process in the opinion of the vast majority of those scientists most competent to judge than they could deny the awesome reality of God's presence in nature and their own experience of complete dependence upon the creative and sustaining hand of God revealed in the Scriptures.

. . .

An assessment of the prevailing situation makes it clear that evolution's assumptions are as much around us as the air we breathe and no more escapable. At the same time theology's affirmations are being made as responsibly as ever. In this sense both science and religion are here to stay, and the demands of either are great enough to keep most (if not all) from daring to profess competence in both. To preserve their own integrity both science and religion need to remain in a healthful tension of respect toward one another and to engage in a searching debate which no more permits theologians to pose as scientists than it permits scientists to pose as theologians.



ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH

Pope John Paul II

Cosmogony itself speaks to us of the origins of the universe and its makeup, not in order to provide us with a scientific treatise but in order to state the correct relationship of man with God and with the universe. Sacred Scripture wishes simply to declare that the world was created by God, and in order to teach this truth, it expresses itself in the terms of the cosmology in use at the time of the writer. The sacred book likewise wishes to tell men that the world was not created as the seat of the gods, as was taught by other cosmogonies and cosmologies, but was rather created for the service of man and the glory of God. Any other teaching about the origin and makeup of the universe is alien to the intentions of the Bible, which does not wish to teach how heaven was made but how one goes to heaven.



AMERICAN JEWISH CONGRESS


Under the standards so clearly articulated by the Supreme Court, Proclamation 60 and Board Rule 5, as presently written, fail to satisfy the constitutional requirement of separation of church and state. In order to comply with the applicable constitutional provisions, the proclamation and board rule should be revised in three ways. First, evolution should be clearly included in the science curriculum. Second, evolution should be taught as are all scientific theories and should not be singled out for special negative comment. Finally, the proposed textbook standards should make clear that scientific creationism is not to be taught as scientific theory. Rather, because there is no constitutional objection to teaching about religion, public school teachers should simply tell their students, when evolution is taught, that there are certain religious groups whose members do not accept the Darwinian theory and advise them to consult with their parents or religious advisors for further guidance on the subject.


All of which, and more, can be found here:

http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/ar...13_2001.asp#ajc
 

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I am not sure what the Discipline says about evolution or creation science. The Methodsit Web page you used is only one conference in the US. I don't know how many annual conferences there are, but we have 14 in our jurisdiction and there are 14 jurisdictions in the US, and then there's overseas, so this one shot from Iowa cannot be taken to say what the United Methodist Chuch believes. I'll look into it.
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It looks like you may need to edit your OPthe UMC has no official stance on evolution theories
source:
http://www.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=1&mid=1381
Here is what the church officially says on science and technology
We recognize science as a legitimate interpretation of God’s natural world. We affirm the validity of the claims of science in describing the natural world, although we preclude science from making authoritative claims about theological issues. We recognize technology as a legitimate use of God’s natural world when such use enhances human life and enables all of God’s children to develop their God-given creative potential without violating our ethical convictions about the relationship of humanity to the natural world.

In acknowledging the important roles of science and technology, however, we also believe that theological understandings of human experience are crucial to a full understanding of the place of humanity in the universe. Science and theology are complementary rather than mutually incompatible. We therefore encourage dialogue between the scientific and theological communities and seek the kind of participation that will enable humanity to sustain life on earth and, by God’s grace, increase the quality of our common lives together.

From The Book of Discipline of The United Methodist Church - 2000. Copyright 2000 by The United Methodist Publishing House. Used by permission.
source:
http://www.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=1&mid=1820

but the official website does offer this article on creation and evolution, written by Dr. Ken Carter, who is in our annual conference here in Western North Carolina
the site:
http://www.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=1&mid=1025
The article makes no attempt to establish either as church doctrine, but to suggest that we all should be respectful in our differences. Go figure?
The content of the article:

Creation and Evolution

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Commentary: The Faith-Science Collision on Campus[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]By the Rev. Kenneth H. Carter Jr.[/font]

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The Rev. Kenneth H. Carter Jr. is an occasional columnist for United Methodist News Service. Carter is senior pastor of Mount Tabor United Methodist Church in Winston-Salem, N.C. A UMNS photo.It happens every fall. A young woman goes off to college. Call her Susan. Susan can be characterized in at least two ways: she is bright, intelligent and motivated to learn; and she is spiritual, religiously active and devoted to God. As classes begin on campus these two important dimensions of Susan's life come into conflict.

The conflict is most unavoidable as Susan wades into the sciences: biology, physics, earth sciences, astronomy, chemistry. The intellectual exercise is stimulating, but Susan is encountering a worldview that is at odds with her faith. In its extreme form, the scientific worldview is reductionistic, mechanistic and atomistic. In other words, there is no reality apart from the material, the measurable, the empirical. We are not spiritual beings, she is taught, but collections of molecules.

This can be quite traumatic for Susan, for it calls into question all of her faith experience to this point, which may have been no deeper than that of an older elementary level. The foundations upon which she is constructing a life can begin to crumble. Susan begins to question everything that she has been taught to this point in her journey. The collision can be seen in competing claims:
  • We are created in the image of God (Genesis 1. 26).
  • We share 98% of our DNA with the chimpanzee.
  • In six days God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 2.1).
  • There is granite on the floor of the Grand Canyon that is two billion years old, limestone that is 500 million years old, and sandstone that is 300 million years old.
  • We believe in God, maker of all that is, seen and unseen (Nicene Creed).
  • The creation of life, as seen in the recent discussions of stem cell research, is happening across the world in academic, corporate and hospital settings.
Susan may seek resolution of this conflict, through a campus religious group that has walked with students like her year after year. Some of these campus groups are deeply suspicious of the sciences, of the worldviews of scientists who are agnostics and atheists, and so their response is also firm and steadfast. While well-intentioned, this can begin to set up a division in Susan's mind between the spiritual life and the intellectual life, between her identity as a Christian and her vocational life.

The Christian faith has a stake in the dialogue, experienced internally by Susan and being carried out externally in all sorts of places. Christians are interested in discovering the truth, as are scientists. Christians also believe that Jesus is the incarnation (word made flesh, John 1) of God, and so we value the material world as do our scientist friends.

Two simple concepts can help someone like Susan in the collision between the teachings of both faith and science. One is mystery. Both Christians and scientists confess that there is much that we do not know about this world. By faith we believe that God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1-2), but anyone who has peered into the Grand Canyon must admit that the creation is something of a mystery. And of course, mystery can lead us to awe, wonder and praise, in the presence of God who gives and sustains life.

A second concept is humility. Christians can be more honest about how little we know about the sciences. And scientists can admit that their critique of faith is often based on a stereotype that would not be credible to any thinking person. Both Christians and scientists can be less judgmental and more humble before the truth that we seek, even if in different ways.

Our churches and campus ministries can help Susan to make her way through the issues that arise when faith and science collide. We can help her remain grounded in the Scriptures, which speak of a God who creates and yet whose creation will always be beyond our comprehension (Job 38-39). The Scriptures can help her avoid the pain and confusion that occurs when faith is destroyed, when intellectual arrogance dismisses God, and when there is no openness to discovery of the truth.

A larger place for mystery and humility can help college students wrestle with these matters as they enter into adulthood as faithful Christians.

 
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Thanks for that additional information! I will amend the OP to mention that this is one branch of the Methodist Church. Even still, those resolutions do not contradict the overall policy of "we take no position on the issue" since all they are doing is saying that they do NOT support the inclusion of "Creation Science" in the classroom.

The important point in your addition is that the Methodist Church does not take a stand *against* evolution whatsoever. They leave the question open to the believer. Which means, by implication, that they accept that one can believe in evolution and still believe everything the Methodists stand for. If this was not the case, they could not take a neutral stance on the issue.

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Vance said:
The important point in your addition is that the Methodist Church does not take a stand *against* evolution whatsoever. They leave the question open to the believer. Which means, by implication, that they accept that one can believe in evolution and still believe everything the Methodists stand for. If this was not the case, they could not take a neutral stance on the issue.
absolutely true
 
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Underdog77 said:
I really don't care what other "prominent" churches say. I only care what the Bible says. I especially don't care for churches like the Roman Catholic and others, lots of their doctrine is screwy.
well said, especially the use of the detail-laden, vision-inspiring word, "screwy." That surely says it all. Case closed!
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The term "progressive revelation" may also be used within the definition of thesistic evolution in that as new knowledge is brought to light it can be reasonably instituted within the framework of the belief. Here there's a freedom to reconcile the common ideas/facts of the day with the bible. What was accepted as truth in one era may not be the case in the future as man moves forward in his knowledge of his surroundings, his moral tolerance and basically what is accepted on a social level.
Progressive revelation allows for the more common beliefs to be accepted as support for a supreme being, support with the writings of past texts (especially those of the bible) and in general augment scripture with modern ideas and philosophies.
This form of system has been adopted not only by modern science but also as a means of molding the acceptable morals and ethics of social behavior. Progressive revelation also allows tolerance in cultural differences throughout the world to be viewed with acceptance without conflict between other social belief systems or traditions embedded within the foundations of other nations and peoples.
Progressive revelation isn't new. The OT has been viewed by some long ago in this manner, a time when God progressively taught His people what was expected of them. Exodus through Leviticus are the common examples used to show this form of thought.

All in all it sounds good and appeals to us in many ways. It allows us to set our own boundries involving the principles of God and the interpretation of His written Word. It allows us to embrace the ever-broadening tolerance level seen within our society. It allows us freedom from persecution in that we can accept the beliefs of the non-believer without the need to oppose them. It allows a godless society to cast doubt on the bible. In short it allows the sovereignty of man.
 
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PotLuck said:
The term "progressive revelation" may also be used within the definition of thesistic evolution in that as new knowledge is brought to light it can be reasonably instituted within the framework of the belief. Here there's a freedom to reconcile the common ideas/facts of the day with the bible. What was accepted as truth in one era may not be the case in the future as man moves forward in his knowledge of his surroundings, his moral tolerance and basically what is accepted on a social level.
Progressive revelation allows for the more common beliefs to be accepted as support for a supreme being, support with the writings of past texts (especially those of the bible) and in general augment scripture with modern ideas and philosophies.
This form of system has been adopted not only by modern science but also as a means of molding the acceptable morals and ethics of social behavior. Progressive revelation also allows tolerance in cultural differences throughout the world to be viewed with acceptance without conflict between other social belief systems or traditions embedded within the foundations of other nations and peoples.
Progressive revelation isn't new. The OT has been viewed by some long ago in this manner, a time when God progressively taught His people what was expected of them. Exodus through Leviticus are the common examples used to show this form of thought.

All in all it sounds good and appeals to us in many ways. It allows us to set our own boundries involving the principles of God and the interpretation of His written Word. It allows us to embrace the ever-broadening tolerance level seen within our society. It allows us freedom from persecution in that we can accept the beliefs of the non-believer without the need to oppose them. It allows a godless society to cast doubt on the bible. In short it allows the sovereignty of man.
you should write suspence novels
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LOL @ Herev :D
You may have a point. :thumbsup:

Suspense novels? More like a murder mystery, a classic "Who done it?".
Who killed Adam?
Where was man 100,000 years ago? We have some footprints, we have some bones that may or may not put him at the scene of the crime. But he changed his appearance through a genetic body shave. He even learned to walk differently. And he eluded us at Peking and we've yet been able to link him to some suspicious past activities. A woman by the name of Lucy turned state evidence but her testimony was found inconclusive. But we'll get him. Our forensics staff is working night and day on the case digging through all the evidence we've been able to turn up so far. Yeah, we'll get him alright, even if it takes forever to do it.

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PotLuck said:
LOL @ Herev :D
You may have a point. :thumbsup:

Suspense novels? More like a murder mystery, a classic "Who done it?".
Who killed Adam?
Where was man 100,000 years ago? We have some footprints, we have some bones that may or may not put him at the scene of the crime. But he changed his appearance through a genetic body shave. He even learned to walk differently. And he eluded us at Peking and we've yet been able to link him to some suspicious past activities. A woman by the name of Lucy turned state evidence but her testimony was found inconclusive. But we'll get him. Our forensics staff is working night and day on the case digging through all the evidence we've been able to turn up so far. Yeah, we'll get him alright, even if it takes forever to do it.

:)
If you keep at it, I have no doubt you'll get your man. Just follow the evidence, and remember passion from a witness is no guarantee of facts;)
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