The chicken or the egg? Both.

[Hans Blaster]

Not buying it ... eggs have to be fertilized to reproduce ... even IF possible (hundreds of millions of years ago) .... it takes a parent/adult to incubate the egg and to protect it until it can survive on it's own.

So what came first? The male and female chicken.

Did you actually read the post you quoted?

(wild) Chickens only go back a couple million years. Eggs go back hundreds of millions of years. Eggs were around before chickens were around. There was no "first chicken".

 

[eleos1954]

Did you actually read the post you quoted?

(wild) Chickens only go back a couple million years. Eggs go back hundreds of millions of years. Eggs were around before chickens were around. There was no "first chicken".

The subject matter was talking about chickens. ie What came first the chicken or the egg.

Eggs in general?

Science don't have any definitive facts about the "first eggs" .... there are a lot of theories about it.

Hundreds of millions of years? Again there are not definitive facts about that .... there are a lot of theories about it.

There was no "first chicken".

Yeah ... I know .... basically ... according to evolution theory everything "just happened" over billions of years .... I don't buy the "happen chance(s)" theories.

Design seems more logical ... if there is design ... there is a designer.

Besides that time is an illusion ... time only exists because we exist. There isn't any definitive facts about time actually existing ... there are a lot of theories about it.

https://scitechdaily.com/time-might-not-exist-according-to-physicists/

 

[Bungle_Bear]

The subject matter was talking about chickens. ie What came first the chicken or the egg.

Eggs in general?

Science don't have any definitive facts about the "first eggs" .... there are a lot of theories about it.

Hundreds of millions of years? Again there are not definitive facts about that .... there are a lot of theories about it.

There was no "first chicken".

Yeah ... I know .... basically ... according to evolution theory everything "just happened" over billions of years .... I don't buy the "happen chance(s)" theories.

Design seems more logical ... if there is design ... there is a designer.

Besides that time is an illusion ... time only exists because we exist. There isn't any definitive facts about time actually existing ... there are a lot of theories about it.

https://scitechdaily.com/time-might-not-exist-according-to-physicists/

@Gottservant said it nicely:

I can't tell if this is a joke.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

... Besides that time is an illusion ... time only exists because we exist. There isn't any definitive facts about time actually existing ...

If time is an illusion, then the chicken & egg question is moot.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The subject matter was talking about chickens. ie What came first the chicken or the egg.

Eggs in general?

Science don't have any definitive facts about the "first eggs" .... there are a lot of theories about it.

Hundreds of millions of years? Again there are not definitive facts about that .... there are a lot of theories about it.

There are lots of kinds of eggs: frog eggs, fish eggs, dinosaur eggs, chicken eggs. So if you asking which came first chickens or chicken eggs, then the answer is "neither" since "chickens" developed slowly from earlier species. But for "eggs" generally, they've been around a lot longer than chickens, birds, and reptiles.

 

[eleos1954]

@Gottservant said it nicely:

I can't tell if this is a joke.

The issue of time being an illusion has been a long time debate within the scientific community ... it isn't something new ... nor is it a joke ..... goes back at least as far as Einstein ... maybe before ... and is still being debated.

 

[eleos1954]

There are lots of kinds of eggs: frog eggs, fish eggs, dinosaur eggs, chicken eggs. So if you asking which came first chickens or chicken eggs, then the answer is "neither" since "chickens" developed slowly from earlier species. But for "eggs" generally, they've been around a lot longer than chickens, birds, and reptiles.

Eggs have to be fertilized in order to produce viable offspring.

Fossils of dinosaur eggs might be common, but embryos are very rare. “Virtually nothing is known about their embryology,” coauthor Gregory M. Erickson of Florida State University, told the New York Times.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Eggs have to be fertilized in order to produce viable offspring.

Fossils of dinosaur eggs might be common, but embryos are very rare. “Virtually nothing is known about their embryology,” coauthor Gregory M. Erickson of Florida State University, told the New York Times.

How is this relevant?

 

[loveofourlord]

Still, it takes a chicken first,. There has to be something to lay an egg first.

no it doesn't, what ever was there before the chicken produced the egg, that over time became the chicken. Little more complicated then that but basicly it. At some point that wich was pre chicken bcame chicken at that point the egg came first.

 

[loveofourlord]

Not buying it ... eggs have to be fertilized to reproduce ... even IF possible (hundreds of millions of years ago) .... it takes a parent/adult to incubate the egg and to protect it until it can survive on it's own.

So what came first? The male and female chicken.

male and females came millions of years before chickens. Species isn't a hard line even back in time, it's a sepctrum.

 

[eleos1954]

He created them male and female after their kind.

Science has not concrete proof that the earth/universe is millions of years old .... it is theory and will remain as such.

 

[Hans Blaster]

He created them male and female after their kind.

I've heard that before, but "kind" is not a particularly descriptive word.

Science has not concrete proof that the earth/universe is millions of years old .... it is theory and will remain as such.

Sure we do. We have lots of evidence that the Earth is about 4500 million years old and the Universe is about 13700 million years old. (The latter even has a whole, and active thread about it.)

["Proof" isn't the word we normally use in science, but I understood what you meant. A scientific "theory" is a explanatory framework such as the "Theory of Gravity" that explains how things pull toward each other in proportion to their masses and distances.]

 

[eleos1954]

I've heard that before, but "kind" is not a particularly descriptive word.



Sure we do. We have lots of evidence that the Earth is about 4500 million years old and the Universe is about 13700 million years old. (The latter even has a whole, and active thread about it.)

["Proof" isn't the word we normally use in science, but I understood what you meant. A scientific "theory" is a explanatory framework such as the "Theory of Gravity" that explains how things pull toward each other in proportion to their masses and distances.]

The theory of gravity does not prove anything about the age of the universe/earth.

I understand what theory is. The theories regarding same are not indisputable.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The theory of gravity does not prove anything about the age of the universe/earth.

I understand what theory is. The theories regarding same are not indisputable.

If by "same" you mean the age of the Earth and Universe, we have lots of evidence for the age of each.

 

[Shemjaza]

The theory of gravity does not prove anything about the age of the universe/earth.

I understand what theory is. The theories regarding same are not indisputable.

Technically nothing is "indisputable"... but how justified the dispute is varies.

Flat Earthers think that "Well, I can't see the curve." is a reasonable counter top the shape is the Earth... but very few people take them seriously.

Physics and geology explain a vast amount of inter connected evidence both on and off the Earth, so the old ages are reasonable conclusions to come to.

 

[dlamberth]

Still, it takes a chicken first,. There has to be something to lay an egg first.

Being that birds evolved from dinosaurs, my bet is that eggs came before the chicken.

 

[AV1611VET]

Being that birds evolved from dinosaurs, my bet is that eggs came before the chicken.

So there was no T. Rex on the Ark when Noah sent out a raven and a dove?

 

[dlamberth]

So there was no T. Rex on the Ark when Noah sent out a raven and a dove?

There was no global flood and no Noah's Ark.

 

[AV1611VET]

There was no global flood and no Noah's Ark.

Nature told you that, didn't she?

 

[dlamberth]

Nature told you that, didn't she?

She did.