The challenge for Theistic Evolutionists

[TLK Valentine]

Dear Valentine, Because my view agrees with scripture, science, and history, and NO one can refute it.

because nobody cares enough to refute your whimsy -- there's no solid evidence one way or another, and the Bible is fluid enough to allow for interpretation.

If they could they would have done it long ago. It's because it's God's Truth.

Right?

Not so -- I recall dad taking you behind the woodshed not too long ago.

He's the one with the undefeated rep around here -- albeit a self-proclaimed one, but surely you wouldn't begrudge him that,

Sorry, but I didn't agree to any such thing. The Bible is the Truth in every way, literally, allegorically, poetically, and in every other way.

Except your own whimsy refutes that -- after all, what day are we in, again?

So clearly, we're not talking literal days there.

Then there's the matter of Jesus' parables -- unless you're going to hop onto the "historical events which He personally witnessed" bandwagon, then you see that He was quite capable of using nonliteral means to get a message across to His audience.

He even went so far as to say that He did so in order to confound and confuse the literalists who wouldn't get it -- they still don't.

But then again, I'm sure they have all the reward they're looking for.

IF God has lied or broken any of His commandments, He can never have a perfect heaven. You only told us a partial Gospel. Jesus died for our sins, was buried and arose the 3rd day ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES.

We already addressed this -- you're repeating yourself pointlessly.

No, but it's a cop out for TEs who don't believe that man was formed (Hebrew-squeezed into shape like a Potter molds the clay) and Falsely teach that we evolved from other living creatures. That is the LIE of Theistic Evolutionism.

It's only a lie for people who can't wrap their heads around figurative language. Read any good parables lately?

Another of your False Assumptions, since God is the Author of ALL Scripture whether it be from the Old or the New Testament. God, the Holy Spirit, working from within the men who penned the words, told them what to write.

Word for word dictation, or did free will play a part?

That is WHY Genesis is proof of God since NO man of the time could have possibly known the correct scientific details which we are just now discovering.

irrelevant -- this is not the time or place to go into whimsy which is unrelated to the topic at hand.

Then HOW can you tell IF they are lying or not? HOW can you try the Spirits to determine IF they are false prophets or anti-Christs? Jesus said, My sheep hear My voice. His voice is God's Holy Word which cannot be understood, except by those who have already believed the Gospel according to the Scriptures.

Right -- and how much of what they must believe is Jesus' words, and how much of it is your own?

I cannot put him in or cast him out of anything. I just wanted to know where he was coming from, because God's Holy Word instructs me to do so.

Doesn't that border on idolatry? Shouldn't you be listening more to God's Holy Spirit?

You do know what God's Holy Spirit sounds like, don't you? You've heard it before, have you not?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Of course it does.

I knew it would.

We all knew you were being disingenuous, AV -- we've come to expect it when you start talking about books.

 

[Sayre]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Valentine, God's Truth can be shared through those ways but TEs have rejected God's Literal Truth because it doesn't fit the Evol Religion. IOW, Some have completely changed the message of Special Creation into a Lie about How we evolved from Apes.
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Dear Valentine, Because my view agrees with scripture, science, and history, and NO one can refute it. If they could they would have done it long ago. It's because it's God's Truth.

Right?



Sorry, but I didn't agree to any such thing. The Bible is the Truth in every way, literally, allegorically, poetically, and in every other way. IF God has lied or broken any of His commandments, He can never have a perfect heaven. You only told us a partial Gospel. Jesus died for our sins, was buried and arose the 3rd day ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES.


No, but it's a cop out for TEs who don't believe that man was formed (Hebrew-squeezed into shape like a Potter molds the clay) and Falsely teach that we evolved from other living creatures. That is the LIE of Theistic Evolutionism.

These are the SAME literal Scriptures which Theistic Evols deny, in favor of the Lies of the ToE.
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Another of your False Assumptions, since God is the Author of ALL Scripture whether it be from the Old or the New Testament. God, the Holy Spirit, working from within the men who penned the words, told them what to write. That is WHY Genesis is proof of God since NO man of the time could have possibly known the correct scientific details which we are just now discovering.

Ask them if they believe in Jesus according to the Scriptures?
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Then HOW can you tell IF they are lying or not? HOW can you try the Spirits to determine IF they are false prophets or anti-Christs? Jesus said, My sheep hear My voice. His voice is God's Holy Word which cannot be understood, except by those who have already believed the Gospel according to the Scriptures. That's because those who have NOT been born Spiritually cannot understand the writings of the Spirit. 1Cr 2:14

Is he a Bible believing Christian or is he a worshipper of the Biggest Satanic Lie ever told, the ToE? That is the question.
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And the bigger question is: why are you so willing to cast him out?

I cannot put him in or cast him out of anything. I just wanted to know where he was coming from, because God's Holy Word instructs me to do so. It tells me to determine whether the spirits are good or evil, whether they are of God or Satan. People who claim that we evolved instead of being a Special Creation by the Hands of Jesus, certainly do NOT know what Scripture is teaching. Beware their words, for some speak with forked tongues. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman[/quote]

You end your posts with "in Love" but your words are hardly loving. With Forked tongues?

You mention the scripture about His sheep recognising His voice. You don't need the bible to recognise His voice. Those that are His will recognise His voice without it.

The end of the book of John also tells us that the Holy Spirit is our teacher, and will reveal all things to us. Again, no need for a bible there.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You end your posts with "in Love" but your words are hardly loving. With Forked tongues?

Aman is referring to Jesus as love, which saves him the trouble of acting on it.

You mention the scripture about His sheep recognising His voice. You don't need the bible to recognise His voice. Those that are His will recognise His voice without it.

The end of the book of John also tells us that the Holy Spirit is our teacher, and will reveal all things to us. Again, no need for a bible there.

An excellent point!

 

[Sayre]

But you see the difference between being influenced by a text and accepting every single word of it as literal... for lack of a better word, gospel.

A person may need a birdwatcher's guide to recognize what a peregrine falcon looks like, but once they know, they don't need the book in order to find one.

Right - thank you.

I read the text when I was younger - I didn't necessarily believe the words literally. But I do suspect that the text contains stories of people who have experienced the same Holy Spirit I have. That doesn't mean the book is error free, just that I have a sense of resonance with some of the experiences detailed within it.

Biggles my experience with the Holy Spirit seems to be a calming yet convicting force to do good and love others. It feels a bit like your conscious... but it feels external to self rather than internal to self. It is hard to explain these things in words. But I didn't cause me to go out and stone homosexuals or condemn eating pork.

 

[theFijian]

And how on earth are we supposed to LOVE them when, from my point of view, they are so dogmatic and deceptive in their arguments?

I think to truly reflect Christ, we ought to spend more time loving those we disagree with. If anyone has any suggestions on how to do this, I am all ears.

What you do is, you take the plank out of your own eye, then ponder on the words "he who is without sin cast the first stone."

By the way, your question isn't really anything to do with Creationism or Evolution. How do I love my brother is basic Christology.

 

[Aman777]

Aman:>>I cannot put him in or cast him out of anything. I just wanted to know where he was coming from, because God's Holy Word instructs me to do so. It tells me to determine whether the spirits are good or evil, whether they are of God or Satan. People who claim that we evolved instead of being a Special Creation by the Hands of Jesus, certainly do NOT know what Scripture is teaching. Beware their words, for some speak with forked tongues. God Bless you.

You end your posts with "in Love" but your words are hardly loving. With Forked tongues?

Dear Sayre, Jesus doesn't like namby pamby Christians for they are Lukewarm. I follow His lead in speaking the Truth and some find the Truth threatening to their false teachings. The "In Love" is the same thing as saying "In Christ", and not meant to be understood as my love for the evil practices of those who speak with Forked tongues.

You mention the scripture about His sheep recognising His voice. You don't need the bible to recognise His voice. Those that are His will recognise His voice without it.

Going with one's own evil, fleshly, thinking, instead of recognizing the Superiority of God's Holy Word, is called Religion. Christianity is NOT a religion nor belief, but instead, is God in you.

The end of the book of John also tells us that the Holy Spirit is our teacher, and will reveal all things to us. Again, no need for a bible there.

Does He speak to you? Are you hearing voices? Scripture tells us to:

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Which Word of Truth do you rightly divide? Or do you just make it up and claim it was the Holy Spirit that made you do it? God Bless you.

BTW, Since the Holy Spirit is the Author of Scripture, you can depend on the Scriptural FACT that He always agrees with Himself.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Aman:>>I cannot put him in or cast him out of anything. I just wanted to know where he was coming from, because God's Holy Word instructs me to do so. It tells me to determine whether the spirits are good or evil, whether they are of God or Satan. People who claim that we evolved instead of being a Special Creation by the Hands of Jesus, certainly do NOT know what Scripture is teaching. Beware their words, for some speak with forked tongues. God Bless you.

You end your posts with "in Love" but your words are hardly loving. With Forked tongues?

Dear Sayre, Jesus doesn't like namby pamby Christians for they are Lukewarm. I follow His lead in speaking the Truth and some find the Truth threatening to their false teachings. The "In Love" is the same thing as saying "In Christ", and not meant to be understood as my love for the evil practices of those who speak with Forked tongues.

You mention the scripture about His sheep recognising His voice. You don't need the bible to recognise His voice. Those that are His will recognise His voice without it.

Going with one's own evil, fleshly, thinking, instead of recognizing the Superiority of God's Holy Word, is called Religion. Christianity is NOT a religion nor belief, but instead, is God in you.

The end of the book of John also tells us that the Holy Spirit is our teacher, and will reveal all things to us. Again, no need for a bible there.

Does He speak to you? Are you hearing voices? Scripture tells us to:

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Which Word of Truth do you rightly divide? Or do you just make it up and claim it was the Holy Spirit that made you do it? God Bless you.

BTW, Since the Holy Spirit is the Author of Scripture, you can depend on the Scriptural FACT that He always agrees with Himself.

In Love,
Aman

 

[theFijian]

The end of the book of John also tells us that the Holy Spirit is our teacher, and will reveal all things to us. Again, no need for a bible there.

You do realise that you're using the bible to tell us that we don't need the bible, that doesn't really work.

 

[Sayre]

You do realise that you're using the bible to tell us that we don't need the bible, that doesn't really work.

I'm using the bible to reveal how we ought to use the bible. And that is, not sola scriptura. The bible doesn't make claims about being the only source of revelation and teaching, infact, it makes the opposite claim.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

To a creationist of my type, the best love you could extend to me is to convince me that evolution is true.

And I don't think you can love me enough on that.

I can see why you say that.

You want to live a life based on reality, but at the same time you worship the cruelest god in the history of mankind, and will suffer the torment of having the flesh being burnt from your bones for all eternity if you don't adore him properly.

It must be a horrible way to live.

 

[theFijian]

I'm using the bible to reveal how we ought to use the bible. And that is, not sola scriptura. The bible doesn't make claims about being the only source of revelation and teaching, infact, it makes the opposite claim.

How would you know about the Holy Spirit if not for the Bible? Funny how we have to keep going back to the Bible isn't it.

 

[Sayre]

How would you know about the Holy Spirit if not for the Bible? Funny how we have to keep going back to the Bible isn't it.

The same way Moses recognised it. The same way Saul recognised it. The same way we all recognise it. The HS isn't dependent on the bible in order to be recognisable. Have you heard of the "self authenticating witness of the Holy Spirit" argument?

 

[fireof god98]

The same way Moses recognised it. The same way Saul recognised it. The same way we all recognise it. The HS isn't dependent on the bible in order to be recognisable. Have you heard of the "self authenticating witness of the Holy Spirit" argument?

Satan appears as an angel of light

 

[Sayre]

Satan appears as an angel of light

How do you know that the Bible isn't one of Satan's lies... and you''ve bought the lie?

 

[juvenissun]

I can see why you say that.

You want to live a life based on reality, but at the same time you worship the cruelest god in the history of mankind, and will suffer the torment of having the flesh being burnt from your bones for all eternity if you don't adore him properly.

It must be a horrible way to live.

You don't see it at all. Your error started from the first clause. I don't want to live a life only based on reality.

You don't have a clue.

 

[everready]

Nobody has proven evolution nor ever will Jesus frowns on someone that tries to make a monkey out of Him...

 

[everready]

ThinkForYourself said:

You want to live a life based on reality, but at the same time you worship the cruelest god in the history of mankind, and will suffer the torment of having the flesh being burnt from your bones for all eternity if you don't adore him properly.

It must be a horrible way to live.

Jesus made hell for the devil, you know, the one that attempted to take His throne from Him, after he "the devil" failed he came here looking for more followers to take with him to that fiery furnace.. if you go to that place its only because you choose to

 

[fireof god98]

How do you know that the Bible isn't one of Satan's lies... and you''ve bought the lie?

the quote was from the bible

 

[Sayre]

the quote was from the bible

That doesn't answer my question.


Biblical christians don't seem to be clear on this.

Me: How do you know the bible is true?
Them: The Holy Spirit reveals it to me.
Me: How do you recognise the voice of the Holy Spirit?
Them: It is the Holy Spirit if it agrees with the bible.

Circular much?

So let's start again. How do you recognise the voice of the Holy Spirit WITHOUT resorting to a circular argument?