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The Bride of Christ
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I do agree...... Scripture is all literal, until we (Christians in general) don't understand it.BT said:
And I think i'm more into the "literal" interpretation than most.
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BT said:ooooh I like that! I'll have to add that to my "Bleechers said" folder
Wish I could take cerdit for it. I got it from Bible teacher John Phillips. I also heard it from David Gooding.
Keep the kisses to a minimum...
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Two shall be one flesh:@@Paul@@ said:
Would not this be so because we take on Christ's righteousness, ....we become part of the body of Christ. Leave father and mother, as in born again?
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Hi Iollain,Iollain said:
Maybe this will help explain how i see it...
Eph 5:27-33
(27) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
..........Christ is going to present Himself a glorious Church.(27) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
(28) So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
(29) For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
..........Wives are referred to as the husbands own flesh, i.e. they are already married.(29) For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
(30) For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones
...........We (the Church) are (as in Already) member of His Body and of His Flesh and of His Bones. Our title as of Ephesians 1 is the Churchm which is HIS BODY.
(31) For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
..........For this cause (to join with his wife) a man (the bridegroom) will leave his Family (or Home, i.e. Heaven) and be joined to his wife (the Bride).(32) This is a great mystery: ( see previous verses ) but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
(33) Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
(33) Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
So the great Mystery pertains to the man, leaving his parents, and joining to his wife... Which happens here; at the Second Advent.
Rev 19:7-13
(7) Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
(8) And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
(9) And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
(10) And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
(11) And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
(12) His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
(13) And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
(7) Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
(8) And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
(9) And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
(10) And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
(11) And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
(12) His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
(13) And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
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Wow I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion. I'm not sure if you're saying that the prophecy in Revelation is about Christ and the Bride or a man and his wife.@@Paul@@ said:So the great Mystery pertains to the man, leaving his parents, and joining to his wife... Which happens here; at the Second Advent.
Rev 19:7-13
(7) Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
(8) And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
(9) And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
(10) And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
(11) And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
(12) His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
(13) And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
You have to do some serious finagglin to swap the mystery = a man and woman in the Ephesians passage. I mean...wow. Are we to understand that marriage was a mystery or something....
I'm baffled.But to each their own I suppose. It's not a doctrine that would cause me to seperate or anything... just ... wow
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LOL. did they not teach you that in school either??BT said:Wow I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion. I'm not sure if you're saying that the prophecy in Revelation is about Christ and the Bride or a man and his wife.
You have to do some serious finagglin to swap the mystery = a man and woman in the Ephesians passage. I mean...wow. Are we to understand that marriage was a mystery or something....
But to each their own I suppose. It's not a doctrine that would cause me to seperate or anything... just ... wow
All i am saying is that Revelations is about the time when Christ leaves His Father to be joined to his wife....
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LOL I'm starting to think I got ripped off!@@Paul@@ said:LOL. did they not teach you that in school either??
Oh ok cool. Doesn't Christ join or actually come for his bride visa vie the Rapture? In Revelations He is back with his Bride in the end on the earth... I'm not sure I'm getting mucho tired...
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I guess that would depend on WHO you think the bride IS...BT said:
Acts 2 and beyond would not see the bride as the church. I think it's night-night time....
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Paul it can't be earned, there is nothing you can do to earn Salvation or rightousness. If there were Jesus Christ our Lord would not had to die on Calvery cross.@@Paul@@ said:
The bride is the Church(which consist of both OT saints{mainly Jews}and NT saints {mainly Gentiles}. Paul makes this clear in Romans 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 3For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. 9For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers sakes. 29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
It is spiritual Israel that the promise was to. That it could be said all Israel shall be saved. The OT Church they were looking to the cross while we are looking back at the cross.
I don't see no where in scripture where God distinguishes between the OT Church and the NT Church they are the same, Spiritual Israel. The rock that Jesus bilt his Church is the same rock that followed Israel through the wilderness.
Its late I got go to bed.
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Exactly. See Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved thorugh faith, and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God; not of works lest any man should boast. I think people get salvation mixed up with rewards. One is a gift through belief in Christ and his shed blood for us and the other is earned.
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I don't think i would have said eternal life in Christ must be earned... Unless i was in some kind of a head lock or something... or a gun was pressing into the back of my head...MbiaJc said:
Salvation is a gift...... the rest you earn.
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Quote originally posted by MbiaJc:
Paul it can't be earned, there is nothing you can do to earn Salvation or rightousness. If there were Jesus Christ our Lord would not had to die on Calvery cross.
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I don't think i would have said eternal life in Christ must be earned... Unless i was in some kind of a head lock or something... or a gun was pressing into the back of my head...
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The wedding garment is the garment of Salvation and the robe of righteousness?
Yes, i believe so.
BUT, it must be earned. Faith + Works.
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Well which one was it gun or headlock?
Paul it can't be earned, there is nothing you can do to earn Salvation or rightousness. If there were Jesus Christ our Lord would not had to die on Calvery cross.
quote originall posted by Paul
I don't think i would have said eternal life in Christ must be earned... Unless i was in some kind of a head lock or something... or a gun was pressing into the back of my head...
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quote originally posted by Iollain
The wedding garment is the garment of Salvation and the robe of righteousness?
Yes, i believe so.
BUT, it must be earned. Faith + Works.
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Well which one was it gun or headlock?
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MbiaJc, Did you even read the posts? or did you just find one thing i wrote you didn't like.... ??MbiaJc said:
That is *NOT* a referrence to one's eternal security...
Phi 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
...There is an aspect of your salvation what has to do with *Rewards*; those you must earn.
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