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The Book of Revelation

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And also I never said that God is subject to time with that statement. If you believe in Jesus as God then you would connect the dots right away that when God came in the flesh: He subjected Himself to time for 30 years as He subjected us to time.
 
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No stars are still forming....now that is real humor there. The part you don't get is God commanded all things to come forth at the beginning, it is still his COMMAND that brings forth the Universe, thus He has ceased Creating. The Rest part is bogus anyway, God never needs to Rest, he has just CEASED CREATING. But his Command is bringing forth Stars this very day.

The Universe is 6000 years old......
 
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He does not need to command those things which are meant to stay in perpetual motion. You claim God never needs to rest though He admitted to resting on the 7th Day.
 
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Can -you- give us a practical example about how you track the vilian ?Is there any specialists [spiritually inspired] able to decoding the Book of Revelation here ?

Lets start with this:
Revelation 17
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend OUT of the BOTTOMLESS PIT, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
 
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And remember that many of the sevens overlap with one another.
Can you give us a practical example of the overlapping....rather that being separate events -whose some of them like the 3 WOES are linked-....that will occur in a seqential progressive timeframe ?
 
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There are a half dozen or so views on this book. Some interpret the book as being mostly symbolic language and others take most of it literally.
Here's a basic perspective. God is sovereign, has a plan and that plan did not intend for man to suffer and struggle in a sinful world for eons without end. He restrains evil for a purpose. Good and evil have grown but will soon be separated. Judgment has existed throughout the Old and New Testaments. We've seen the Jews blessed and we've seen them get punished as well. They were the example for the world to see, that we cannot keep the LAW and so a SAVIOR was sent to fulfill the LAW and Prophets for us.
Simply put, there is an end to the story of humanity's sinful existence. Sin and evil will come to an end and Revelation along with many other supportive books tell us this.
Sin needs to be judged but it is also forgiven if one puts their faith in Jesus. Jesus is our only hope.
Here's another point. If Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophecies literally, why n't we expect him to fulfill the remaining prophecies concerning this End Time period.
So judgment is coming to put an end to sin (at least for a 1000 years) when Jesus literally returns and judges those who did not receive forgiveness.
We all yearn for a perfect world where we can all get along and prosper. We all yearn for living in peace with love abounding, without pain and suffering. God put this void in our hearts because He intended for it to become a reality some day, a paradise reborn.
It is pretty bad now. This is the greatest country, most prosperous, giving and loving country that God has blessed so but it has become wicked and corrupt to the core and all the way up to the top. We've seen our better days, this is the last generation, we cannot endure this sinful world much longer.
But hey, you can take symbolically and think Christianity will just eventually spread and all other false religions go away. I don't think so.
 
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We've seen our better days, this is the last generation, we cannot endure this sinful world much longer.
Every generation of believers since Jesus have ascended to Heaven believed that they were living in the LAST generation ...

In the Hebrew calendar we are year 5,777 which mean that there could be 223 years remaining before the completion of the 6,000 years since Adam...
 
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Again let me reiterate that this is not John's Revelation.
I did not say this was John's Revelation, I said that John was a Revelator. So who are the "two witness" and what is the meaning of the "eyes of the Lord"?
 
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First you would have to go back to my post #19 and follow my advice there.

To track the villian, you have to have a timeline framework to know when he is the beast, the Antichrist, the littl horn, etc. Which my post #19 gives the structure of the chapters in Revelation. Not as though you are new to Revelation though. In your case, just tale a look at the structure information from Chapter 6 to 19 that I provided in that post.

Regarding the villain being the beast in Revelation 17:8, you have to look for connections elsewhere in Revelation... which chapters. Chapter 13 is the chapter regarding the beast being killed and come back to life and everyone worship him in the end times.

That coincides with Revelation 17:8b, the end times person. 17:8a is the beast in former times because it says was (alive) and is not (alive)... colon. Since Revelation 17 is timed first century because the sixth king was said to be ruling presently (first century) in Revelation 17:10 - the beast in 17a would have lived and died before then.

So do you believe in reincarnation? I don't. So the beast in former times is not going to be reincarnated in the end times. The only other option I know of is the beast in former times, is now a
disembodied spirit, that will be allowed to come out of the bottomless pit and possess the end times person - earning the possessed endtimes person (when he appears to have cheated death) the label of being the beast.
 
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Yes !But what makes you believe that our generation is that one ?
Usually this is based on when Jerusalem (Judea) became established and Israel becoming a nation after the 6 day war on June 11, 1967. Right now the life span is around 80 years in that part of the world so 1967 plus 80 equals 2047. So according to this teaching then Jesus will return before the year 2047. The church will be 2,000 years old in 2029.

There were two questions that Jesus was answering. The disciples asked Him when would the temple in Jerusalem be destroyed and when would the end of this age come. So the generation that was alive at that time saw the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem. The question now is when is the end of this current church age.

Matthew 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
 
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probably to your first sentence. Second sentence, we don't need to be influencd by because we have the parabable of the fig tree (among other indicators) that we are the fig tree generation.
 
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Thanks for your explanation. I would point out that there are some questions that don't have simple concise answers. I think understanding the Olivet Discourse is one of them.
I do not recall Jesus giving anyone a 14 page answer to a question. For example Jesus was asked: 36 "Teacher, which commandment is the greatest in the Law?” His answer was very simple: 37 Jesus declared, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.…

Of course it may take 14 pages or even every book in the world to understand what this means to "Love your God". First you have to give the short concise answer and then you can attempt to try to explain to people the meaning. Just like in Genesis chapter one there are 32 verses that talks about the beginning of the world. Yet even hundreds of thousands of books on Science does not begin to tell us all about how God created the world that we live in.
 
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That was to give a practical example to the other poster.

Revelation 17:8 tell us that the BEAST whose everyone SHALL WONDER whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb will COME OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT.
Which refers to Revelation 9 .....Revelation 9:11


The Beast who shall ascend out of the Bottomles pit is not a disembodied spirit that is a fallen angel.
Revelation 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the ANGEL of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.


Angels are immortal [The Beast wounded at the head came back to life Revelation 13:3-8]

Revelation 13:3-8

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the
world.



Revelation 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 11:7
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, THE BEAST THAT ASCENDETH OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
 
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probably to your first sentence. Second sentence, we don't need to be influencd by because we have the parabable of the fig tree (among other indicators) that we are the fig tree generation.
A Biblical generation is 40 years ....The modern State of Israel was founded in 1948.

1948 +40 = 1988 --OOOPS!

Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see ALL these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
 
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