Dispy said:
How about some Scriptural support for what you said. Also, PLEASE tell/show me what the Church will rule from heaven. Chapter and verse.
A Brother In Christ said:
1 cor 6:2 judge the world ...how did we get to be top dog?
put into Christ by Holy Spirit... 1 cor 12:12-13
lowest spirit being raised up to judge angels 1 cor 6:3
Who is able to this.. by what authority?
I will respond to 1Cor.6:2-3 from
A Commentary of FIRST CORINTHIANS Based on the Greek New Testament[, by Dr. Ernest R. Campbell. He explains it better then I could. Also, he uses words that are written in the Greek Language, which I will delete. Where a Greek word is deleted, it will be shown as ().
2. "Or don't you know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is judged by you, are you unworthy to be the smallest of courts?
This is the only time Paul says anything about the saints judging the world. His epistles clearly teach that God the Father is the one who judges the unsaved world (Rom. 2:16; 3:;6; 1 Cor. 5:12-13). We raise the question - does Paul have in mind the saints doing this in the future or in the present? The following clause suggests that it is something which they are doing
now, for he literally says,
and if the world is being judged by you[. The Greek verb translated "being judged" () is in the present tense and passive voice, and as such means that the saints are
continuously judging the world now.
We raise the question - how are the saints judging the world now - for Paul asks, "What do I have to do with judging those outside" (5:12)? Our answer is that the saints, wo are reflectors of the righteousness of God, act as a criterion and standard, thereby judging the world. John 3:19 is a good example of this kind of judging, for John says, "This is the judgement, that light come into the dworld and men loved the darkness rather than the light for their works were evil" (cf. 1 Peter 4:4-5).
In view of the fact that as saints the corinthians are judging the world, Paul says to them, "Are you unworthy to be the smallest of courts? The thought is that as those who occupy the lofty position of judging the world, do you consider yourselves "unworthy" (),
inadequate and
incompetent to sit in judgement in a very small court, one constituted of believers in the church? It is interesting that the Greek noun translated "courts" () conveys the idea of
a standard or
means by which to judge.
We get our English word
criterion from the singular form of the Greek noun. As we pointed out in connection with the preceding vertse, civil and church courts differ in two ways, particularly when Paul wrote this letter: (1) unbelievers did the judging on the basis of man-made standards and criteria in civil courts; (2) believers do the judging on the basis of the standards and criteria revealed for the Body of Christ in the church courts. A Biblically functioning church court shoud much more readily forgive, exercise grace, and recognize the power of God via the Spirit to transform lives (Eph. 1:7; 4:32; Rom. 12:1-2). A church court will have two concerns: (1) the restoration of the believer who has erred, and (2) the preventing of a sinful influence from permeating the congregation.
3. Don't you know that we shall judge angels? Much more then things that pertain to this life.?
The grammatical consttruction of the Greek affirms that we shall judge angels. Paul never even intimates such a thought in the rest of his epistles. In other words, this is all the information we have on this subject. In view of the general use of the Greek noun translated "angels" (), as used in the New Testament, we are forced to recognize that it pertains to angelic beings and not to human messengers. We suggest that this statement may be fulfilled during the time when we believers reign with Christ (2 Tim. 2:11-12) Granting that we believers shall judge angels, and particularly the Corthians in this context, "much more then" (), how
much more and
surely then they shall judge "things that pertain to this life" (), i.e.
all that relates to this present physical life. The thought is that if they are qualified to judge angels, lsurely then they should be able to judge the menial physical thing of this life which they were settling in the civil courts.
Dispy said:
Why did you not quote vers 1Cor.6:15 along with 16. Verse 15 says: "Know ye not that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of and harlot? God forbid."
A Brother in Christ said:
it shows that when the flesh becomes one... it is the physical union of spirit in this case.
One who is fornicating with a harlot, is a one that is having a sexual relations with another women other then that one's wife. They are two that are unequally yoked,
NOT a husband and wife..
Dispy said:
Verse 15 confirms what I said about what Ephesians 5:20 says. 1Cor.16 is not speaking of "the Bride of Christ." Also, where does 1Cor.6:16 say anything about a marriage. You are reading that into it.
A Brother in Christ said:
two flesh become one... right reading it in.... this is understood in context
Ephesians 5:20 is not speaking about a believer being the Bride of Christ, because it is saying that we are more part of the groom, and none of the bride.
1Cor:15 is speaking of a fornicator and harlot, l
NOT husband and wife.
Dispy said:
I John 3:2, John is speaking to those members that he, James and Peter agreed to stay with in Galatians 2:9. He is speaking to those believers that were saved during the preaching of "the gospel of the kingdom." They have an earthly kingdom to look forward to, and will never be raptured to heaven. They will be raised from the dead to enter the kingdom.
A Brother In Christ said:
if you want to give a promise that is to you to someone else... your judgement call .....
Those memberts that John is speaking of will enter the earthly kingdom, and not be raptured to heaven. As a member of the Body of Christ, I will not inherit any part of an earthly kingdom. I will be raptured to heaven. No member of the Body of Christ is promised a place in the earthly kingdom. I will never give up the promises I have.
Dispy said:
Eph. 5:23 is saying that the man is the head of the wife, just as Christ is the HEAD of the Church. Doesn't say a word about the Chruch being the Bride of Christ. It is speaking of the "chain of command" in a marriage.
A Brother In Christ said:
man and wife like wise JC and the church are... making this way to difficult
Well, if you would take a reading comprehension course, then it would be less difficult for you.
Dispy said:
Where does it say that the wife is the chruch?
A Brother in Christ said:
GREAT ANSWER
Dispy said:
Ephesians 5:21-33 is speaking of the love relationship that the husband and wife should have. Paul equates it to the Love that Christ has for His Chruch. Nowhere in these verses does it say that Church is the Bride of Christ. You are plainly reading that into them.
A Brother In Christ said:
Happy to see you admit it.
God Bless.
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