The book of James NOT written to we Gentiles.

[A Brother In Christ]

nope

I may learn from someone

 

[eph3Nine]

The crown of life in verse 12 above it not addressed to members of the Body of Christ, but to those memberts of the 12 tribes scattered abroad.

amen dispy....dontcha wish everyone would just read what scripture SAYS and to whom it says it? It sure would clear up alot of confusion.

The crowns that Paul wrote are given to members of the Body of Christ. The crowns that Peter and James write about are for members of the 12 tribes scattered. They are not the same crowns.

Your are absolutely RIGHT. The crowns are offered to TWO different audiences and are NOT the same.

When I have a niece and nephew graduate from high School, I send them both a monetary check for equal amounts. The reward given to them are exactly the same, but the checks are not. They are written to two diffferent individualls.

All believer will received rewards, but the rewards may be different.

Revelation 4:4-11 is not written to members of the Body of Christ. Can't find any rewards given in those verses, or anything about the rapture.

Hebrews thru Revelation...written for ages to COME as we, the church the body of Christ will be LONG GONE!

FYI, the Church, the Body of Christ, cannot be found anywhere in the entire book of the Revelation. There is no need to write to the Church, Body of Christ in this book, because the Church will have already been raptured to heaven. The book of the Revelation is entirely about the fulfillment of OT prophesy to Israel.

amen to that. I will pay someone a thousand bucks if they can show me the Church, the Body of Christ in Revelation.

Hebrews thru Revelation is again God dealing with PROPHETIC books having to do with the NATION ISRAEL and the KINGDOM program.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Yet she ignores me... for a $1000 bucks

 

[Dispy]

show me according to context.. please verse

1 thes 2:19 crown of rejoicing
2 tim 4:8 crown of righteousness
james 1:12, rev 2:10 crown of life
1 peter 5:4 crown of glory
1 cor 9:25 uncorruptible crown

church has recieved rewards in heaven rev 4:4-11

romans 1:16 For am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the greek

God is still working with the Jews but when they believe they are no Jews in the heavens any more

In 1Thes.2:19, 2Tim .4:8, and 1Cor.9:25, Paul is addressing believer that are members of the Body of Christ. They They were saved under the preaching of "the gospel of the grace of God," not under the Law, and have a heavenly hope/home to look forward to.

When one reads Gal.2:9 we find that James, Cephas (Peter) and John agreed with Paul to stay with the cirmcucision (Jews), while Paul and Barnabas would go to the heathen (Gentiles.)

While the 12 ministered with Jesus, during His earthly ministry, the were still under, and practising, the Law, and were preaching "the gospel of the kingdom."

The Jews that James, Peter and John agreed to stay with were the Jews that were saved under the preaching of "the gospel of the kingdom" and still practised the Law. We can see from Acts 21:20 that the believing Jews (many thousands) were still zealous of the Law.

The letters of James, 1 &2 Peter, 1,2 3 John, Jude, and the book of Revelation were written to the Jews that were scattered because of the persecution, and saved under the preaching of "the gospel of the kingdom", and had a earthly kingdom promised to them.

Paul NEVER preached "the gospel of the kingdom," but he preached "...Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began" (Rm.16::25).

The crown of life in verse 12 above it not addressed to members of the Body of Christ, but to those memberts of the 12 tribes scattered abroad.

the book of james is written between 45 to 50 ad

which is right after penecost ....

which means that the Jewish program is being set aside till the tribulation

So that since believers can have God residing in them

as Gal 3:28 states There is either Jew or greek[no religion differences] neither slave or free [ no social status], no male or female [ no sex status]: for you are all one in the body of Christ

Pentecost was in approx 33 AD. The Council at Jerusalem, as recorded in Acts 15 and Galatians 2, was held in the neighborhood of AD 55. (That is when James, Peter, and John, agreed to stay with the circumcision (Jews.) The book of James was written approximately in AD 60.

The Jewish prophetic timeclock was interrupted after the stoning of Stephen, in Acts 7, and God set the nation of Israel aside.

With the setting aside of Israel, God raised up Saul/Paul to usher in this present dispensation of grace, and created "the one new man", the Body of Christ. It consists of believeing set aside Jews and Gentiles, on equal footing, without distinction, and not under the Law.

The crowns that Paul wrote are given to members of the Body of Christ. The crowns that Peter and James write about are for members of the 12 tribes scattered. They are not the same crowns.

statement without verses ......

If you will look through Paul's epistles just a little bit, I do believe that you will find that he is the apostle to the Gentiles. The look at the first few verses of Peter; 1, 2 James; 1, 2, 3 John, and you will discover that they were written to the circumcision (Jews).

QUOTE=Dispy]When I have a niece and nephew graduate from high School, I send them both a monetary check for equal amounts. The reward given to them are exactly the same, but the checks are not. They are written to two diffferent individualls.[/QUOTE]

one must look at the mail I agree ... yet in revelations what are the seven churches in the beginning of the book When does the tribulation start .... rev 6 first seal opened[/lQUOTE]

The Church, the Body of Christ, is universal. Rev. 1:11, John is to write to the 7 churches in Asia. 1:20 we find the phrases: seven stars, seven golden candlesticks, angels of the seven churches. Throughout the entire Bible, you cannot find one reference to members of the Body of Christ being referred to as stars, golden candlesticks, or even angels. Whenever one read those words, they ALWAYS are in connection with the nation of Israel.

ALL the things that John is writing about is the fulfillment of OT prophesy to Israel. The, Chruch the Body of Christ, cannot be found in the OT, the Gospels, and the first part of the book of the Acts.

All believer will received rewards, but the rewards may be different.

Law believing Jews are promised to rule the earth

the Church of God is promised to rule with Christ over the universe

I would say it quite differently. Jews, that were saved during the dispensation of the Law, will inherit the Kingdom that Jesus will establish upon the earth. There will will be 12 thrones uponl which the 12 Apostles will judge the 12 tribes of Israel.

Members of the Body of Christ will rule and reign with Christ in heaven. We will even judge the angels.

Revelation 4:4-11 is not written to members of the Body of Christ. Can't find any rewards given in those verses, or anything about the rapture.

where in first opinions did you find this?

rev 4:10 the Four and twenty elders fall down before Him that sat on the throne, and worship Him that liveth forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne

and you can't put the other verses on crowns to who is throwing them at Christ feet... wow

I have already explained above that the Chruch, the Body of Christ is no where mentioned in the book of the Revelation. Yes, the four and twenty elders in Rev.4:10 did have crown, which they cast before the throne.

FYI, the Church, the Body of Christ, cannot be found anywhere in the entire book of the Revelation. There is no need to write to the Church, Body of Christ in this book, because the Church will have already been raptured to heaven. The book of the Revelation is entirely about the fulfillment of OT prophesy to Israel.

Not only in the beginning yet the Church shows up again in Revelations 19:7-10,14, chapter 21

Still can't find the Chruch, the Body of Christ, in all of the book of the Revelation. The Chruch, the Body of Christ is not the bride of Christ. Israel, is the Lamb's wife.

 

[eph3Nine]

Still can't find the Church, the Body of Christ, in all of the book of the Revelation. The Chruch, the Body of Christ is not the bride of Christ. Israel, is the Lamb's wife.


Amen Dispy.....when these folks stand before God with this misinformation, they will be sorely embarrassed that they passed on information that was NOT biblical but that agreed with doctrines of MEN. One cannot be a man pleaser and pleasing God at the same time.

 

[heymikey80]

Still can't find the Church, the Body of Christ, in all of the book of the Revelation. The Chruch, the Body of Christ is not the bride of Christ. Israel, is the Lamb's wife.


Amen Dispy.....when these folks stand before God with this misinformation, they will be sorely embarrassed that they passed on information that was NOT biblical but that agreed with doctrines of MEN. One cannot be a man pleaser and pleasing God at the same time.

For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. Ep 5:23-32
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And ... how the main posting got so hijacked in the main posting as to jump from one slender verse of James to passage upon passage of Paul, Matthew, Zechariah ....

=Shrug= I've no problem with James being addressed to the Jewish Christians. They're Christians. They belong more with me than with Jewish non-Christians.
Romans wasn't written to "we Gentiles" either, but to the church in Rome in the First Century. Hm, maybe there's a Roman dispensation, did it last until Martin Luther? Then maybe we can do whatever we want, 'cuz none of Scripture was written to us.

 

[eph3Nine]

I see Jesus being touted as the HEAD of the BODY just AS a husband is the head of a wife. I dont see scripture saying He is the husband and we are the wife at all! Dont make it say what it clearly does NOT say.

Thats how you get into traditions of MEN instead of what the scripture teaches. Israel is the lambs WIFE and the ONLY one who was espoused to Him as such. We are the BODY...NOT the Wife. ONLY Israel has that distinction in the Word of God.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

In 1Thes.2:19, 2Tim .4:8, and 1Cor.9:25, Paul is addressing believer that are members of the Body of Christ. They They were saved under the preaching of "the gospel of the grace of God," not under the Law, and have a heavenly hope/home to look forward to.

james 1:12

1 peter 5:4... crown

2 peter 3:18 but grow by grace , and in the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


looks like peter is definitily for the church

When one reads Gal.2:9 we find that James, Cephas (Peter) and John agreed with Paul to stay with the cirmcucision (Jews), while Paul and Barnabas would go to the heathen (Gentiles.)

While the 12 ministered with Jesus, during His earthly ministry, the were still under, and practising, the Law, and were preaching "the gospel of the kingdom."

The Jews that James, Peter and John agreed to stay with were the Jews that were saved under the preaching of "the gospel of the kingdom" and still practised the Law. We can see from Acts 21:20 that the believing Jews (many thousands) were still zealous of the Law.

its called a transition from a law practice to a grace pratice

believer today naturally want to practice their own law on themself

and do not understand grace

so it is no surprise that believing Jews were still praticing law instead of grace

God grace is still suffient

The letters of James, 1 &2 Peter, 1,2 3 John, Jude, and the book of Revelation were written to the Jews that were scattered because of the persecution, and saved under the preaching of "the gospel of the kingdom", and had a earthly kingdom promised to them.

gal 3:28 There is neither Jew or Greek , there is neither slave or free, there is neither male or female: for you are all one in Christ

once a OT believer realized that JC was God... HE is promised the best and greatest promises.... Heavenly inheritance
thus transformed to NT believer

Paul NEVER preached "the gospel of the kingdom," but he preached "...Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began" (Rm.16::25).

Yes Paul is the steward of giving all the new information.... eph

However Peter started giving the gospel about Jesus dieing on the cross and resurrecting three days latter.. act 2 :11-14

John expands on the new truths that Paul gave us

Pentecost was in approx 33 AD. The Council at Jerusalem, as recorded in Acts 15 and Galatians 2, was held in the neighborhood of AD 55. (That is when James, Peter, and John, agreed to stay with the circumcision (Jews.) The book of James was written approximately in AD 60.

so the Jews were not put aside... now or were they as a nation still happening

The Jewish prophetic timeclock was interrupted after the stoning of Stephen, in Acts 7, and God set the nation of Israel aside.

I thought it was the cross when JC was rejected by them... silly me

With the setting aside of Israel, God raised up Saul/Paul to usher in this present dispensation of grace, and created "the one new man", the Body of Christ. It consists of believeing set aside Jews and Gentiles, on equal footing, without distinction, and not under the Law.





If you will look through Paul's epistles just a little bit, I do believe that you will find that he is the apostle to the Gentiles. The look at the first few verses of Peter; 1, 2 James; 1, 2, 3 John, and you will discover that they were written to the circumcision (Jews).

In Matt 28:19 JC told them to teach all nations.... this is the twelve apostles

question is who are the nations....Gentiles

QUOTE=Dispy]When I have a niece and nephew graduate from high School, I send them both a monetary check for equal amounts. The reward given to them are exactly the same, but the checks are not. They are written to two diffferent individualls.

one must look at the mail I agree ... yet in revelations what are the seven churches in the beginning of the book When does the tribulation start .... rev 6 first seal opened

The Church, the Body of Christ, is universal. Rev. 1:11, John is to write to the 7 churches in Asia. 1:20 we find the phrases: seven stars, seven golden candlesticks, angels of the seven churches. Throughout the entire Bible, you cannot find one reference to members of the Body of Christ being referred to as stars, golden candlesticks, or even angels. Whenever one read those words, they ALWAYS are in connection with the nation of Israel.

ALL the things that John is writing about is the fulfillment of OT prophesy to Israel. The, Chruch the Body of Christ, cannot be found in the OT, the Gospels, and the first part of the book of the Acts.

[/quote] Rev 2:9...and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not but are a synagogue of satan

rev 3:9 Behold I will make them a synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie.......

... these are gentile churches trying to live by law

I would say it quite differently. Jews, that were saved during the dispensation of the Law, will inherit the Kingdom that Jesus will establish upon the earth. There will will be 12 thrones uponl which the 12 Apostles will judge the 12 tribes of Israel.

Members of the Body of Christ will rule and reign with Christ in heaven. We will even judge the angels.

How can a lowly human even glorified be able to judge an Angel .... bride of Christ marries JC and Now are one body in reality like a husband and a wife
eph 5:23-32

I have already explained above that the Chruch, the Body of Christ is no where mentioned in the book of the Revelation. Yes, the four and twenty elders in Rev.4:10 did have crown, which they cast before the throne.





Still can't find the Chruch, the Body of Christ, in all of the book of the Revelation. The Chruch, the Body of Christ is not the bride of Christ. Israel, is the Lamb's wife.

Isa 62:5 God the Father marries Israel

isa 54:1-10
hosea 2:1-17

funny all the husbandry statement with God the Father and Israel

then there is JC as husband to the church eph 5:23-32

it the difference that we study in dispensations is it not

 

[eph3Nine]

"Religion" says that the Body of Christ is also the Bride of Christ.

"The Bible" never even USES the term "bride of Christ", but DOES tell you who the Lambs WIFE is. Is God a bigamist? He has espoused Himself to ONE group...the Nation Israel, and YOU AINT THEM!

But argue away...your flesh LOVES it and so does the enemy who has blinded you from seeing the wonderful mystery truths which have been entrusted to YOU by God.

Religion is a terrible thing. When coupled with the flesh it becomes argumentative, stubborn, mean as a snake and dishonest about REAL truths.

STOP and THINK...or better yet...STUDY before you ramble on about things you know NOTHING about.

 

[heymikey80]

I see Jesus being touted as the HEAD of the BODY just AS a husband is the head of a wife. I dont see scripture saying He is the husband and we are the wife at all! Dont make it say what it clearly does NOT say.

Thats how you get into traditions of MEN instead of what the scripture teaches. Israel is the lambs WIFE and the ONLY one who was espoused to Him as such. We are the BODY...NOT the Wife. ONLY Israel has that distinction in the Word of God.

Um, Israel isn't even mentioned here. Just Gentiles. In marriage.

And isn't it the other way around? The husband is the head of the wife just as Jesus is the Head of the Body. IOW, Jesus's relationship with the church is held up as the standard for the relationship in marriage. Marriage should be about treating your wife as one with yourself.

So the Body of Christ is not something that excludes Christ as the Groom for the Church, His Bride. They're both teaching about union with one another.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

"Religion" says that the Body of Christ is also the Bride of Christ.

"The Bible" never even USES the term "bride of Christ", but DOES tell you who the Lambs WIFE is. Is God a bigamist? He has espoused Himself to ONE group...the Nation Israel, and YOU AINT THEM!

But argue away...your flesh LOVES it and so does the enemy who has blinded you from seeing the wonderful mystery truths which have been entrusted to YOU by God.

Religion is a terrible thing. When coupled with the flesh it becomes argumentative, stubborn, mean as a snake and dishonest about REAL truths.

STOP and THINK...or better yet...STUDY before you ramble on about things you know NOTHING about.

is God ....three person ..one God

God the Father married Israel
God the Son will marry the church

your statement make me laught as you personelly attack a person who you disagree with yet you will not discuss scripture

eph 5:22-32 when I bride and groom marry they become one flesh .... one body? thinker

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Still can't find the Chruch, the Body of Christ, in all of the book of the Revelation. The Chruch, the Body of Christ is not the bride of Christ. Israel, is the Lamb's wife.

1 peter 1:3 is definitly church truth

maybe you know some greek I have a brother in Christ who told me there are three in christ truths in Peter

that is definitely church truths

ask eph3nine for bible studies ... she good at it

 

[eph3Nine]

Blahdeyblah deblah...the issue is where does the scripture tell us WHO IS the Lambs wife? We have shown you repeatedly that it is shown to BE the nation Israel.

You use conjecture to build a straw man and show a total lack of study on both the topic of marriage and the FACT that God only espoused Himself to ONE wife. Its NOT the Body of Christ.

That ought to be ENOUGH for any bible believing person right there...but hey...feed that flesh...it loves it...the enemy loves it and you MISS all the mystery truth that explains away these trite and meaningless assumptions based on church tradition and religious rhetoric.

Dont look for a well done thy good and faithful servant , however.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

and I thought you put me on ignore ...

you care about me....

 

[A Brother In Christ]

eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

yet you deny scripture

 

[timlamb]

Blahdeyblah deblah...the issue is where does the scripture tell us WHO IS the Lambs wife? We have shown you repeatedly that it is shown to BE the nation Israel.

You use conjecture to build a straw man and show a total lack of study on both the topic of marriage and the FACT that God only espoused Himself to ONE wife. Its NOT the Body of Christ.

That ought to be ENOUGH for any bible believing person right there

...but hey...feed that flesh...

it loves it...

the enemy loves it and you MISS all the mystery truth that explains away these trite and meaningless assumptions based on church tradition and religious rhetoric.

Dont look for a well done thy good and faithful servant , however.

Don't ya just feel the love Hi ephy, have a rough day dividing today!

 

[tqpix]

15. The book of James was not written to Gentiles

True, the book of James was written for the Jewish people, but its teachings can still be applied to Gentiles.

 

[Dispy]

For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. Ep 5:23-32
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And ... how the main posting got so hijacked in the main posting as to jump from one slender verse of James to passage upon passage of Paul, Matthew, Zechariah ....

=Shrug= I've no problem with James being addressed to the Jewish Christians. They're Christians. They belong more with me than with Jewish non-Christians.
Romans wasn't written to "we Gentiles" either, but to the church in Rome in the First Century. Hm, maybe there's a Roman dispensation, did it last until Martin Luther? Then maybe we can do whatever we want, 'cuz none of Scripture was written to us.

eph3Nine is right. Nowhere in the above passages does it say that the Church, the Body of Chrst, is the Bride of Christ. You are reading that into it.

If it does state that the Church, the Body of Christ, is the Bride of Christ. point those verses out for me if you will.

The above passages teach that the love relationship between the husband and the wife should be the same as the love relationshsip that Christ has with His Church.

 

[Dispy]

True, the book of James was written for the Jewish people, but its teachings can still be applied to Gentiles.

There are many principles in every book of the Bible that can be applied to everyone in every dispensation, as far as our Christian walk is concerned. Howver, If one reads James 5:7-9, James is speaking of a very specific period of time. He is writing about the "last days" of prophesy. In those "last days" Jesus will be coming as a righteous judge.

The "last days" that Paul writes to members of the Body of Christ, are not the last days of prophesy, but the last days of this dispensation of grace. We wait for Christ to come in the clouds and be taken to heaven "...to ever be with the Lord."

God Bless.
Live Well, Laugh Often and Love the Lord!

 

[A Brother In Christ]

who is the bride in matt 25:1-13 ....

hint its a mystery eph 5:32