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The book of James NOT written to we Gentiles.

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15. The book of James was not written to Gentiles

The apostles' separation from the Gentiles is clear from the book of James, as well, because he specifically addressed his epistle to Israel's "twelve tribes which are scattered abroad", according to James 1:1 -

James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

We would therefore have to "spiritualize" these twelve tribes in James 1:1 if we wish to make Gentiles even fit into James' intended audience. However, spiritualizing only select passages, such as James 1:1, creates great confusion, if other portions of the epistle are still taken literally (and they are indeed taken quite literally by many believers today). The problem then becomes a subjective one: Who is to determine which passages to spiritualize, and which ones to take literally? For example: If James 1:1 is to be "spiritualized" to include Gentiles, then why shouldn't James chapter 2 be "spiritualized", as well?

Plus, in addition to James' statement that he was writing to "the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad", he also made a binding agreement with Peter, John, and Paul to confine his ministry to "the circumcision" (the children of Israel). By contrast, though, Paul (who refers to himself as "the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles" in Ro.15:16) was to go unto "the heathen" along with Barnabas, as we see in Gal.2:7-9 -

7: But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8: (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
9: And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.


In verse 7 above, Paul clearly made a distinction between the gospel of the UNcircumcision that had been committed unto him, and the gospel of the circumcision that Peter, James, and John were preaching. As a result, Paul and Barnabas were to go unto "the heathen", according to verse 9. And Peter, unto whom the gospel of the circumcision was committed, agreed to go unto "the circumcision", with James and John.

When these apostles therefore extended "the right hands of fellowship" to Paul and Barnabas, they bound the agreement, because the Lord Himself had previously agreed to support any such binding agreement these apostles made. Indeed, He had given Peter the authority to make such agreements, in Mt.16:18-19 -

18: And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19: And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.


In addition, the power to bind on earth had also been granted to the rest of the disciples, as well (Mt.18:18). As a result, Peter (having the God-given authority to do so) bound Paul and Barnabas to go specifically to the heathen with the gospel of the uncircumcision. By doing so, Peter also bound James, John, and himself to confine their ministry to the circumcision saints.

Therefore, in view of the fact that Peter, James, and John agreed to "go unto the circumcision" (Gal.2:7-9), and since James confirms this by the fact that he wrote his epistle specifically to the 12 tribes of Israel (as he states in James 1:1), this also means that Peter, Jude, and John must have written their epistles to "the circumcision" (i.e., the twelve tribes of Israel), as well.

As a side note, it should be mentioned that the authorship of the book of James is still disputed, and will probably never be resolved to everyone's satisfaction. At least three different apostles are named James in the New Testament scriptures. In the book of Galatians, Paul refers to "James the Lord's brother" as an apostle (Gal.1:19), and states that James was with Peter and John when they agreed to confine their ministry to the circumcision (Gal.2:7-9). By comparing Paul's statements in Gal.1:19 and 2:7-9 with James 1:1, it is possible that "James the Lord's brother" wrote the epistle that bears his name.

However, there were also two other apostles named James, as well. One was the brother of John, the son of Zebedee (Mt.10:2), whom Herod killed with the sword (Acts 12:1-2). Likewise, there was also an apostle named James who was "the son of Alphaeus" (Mt.10:3). And indeed, one of these three apostles named James also had a brother named Jude, who wrote the epistle of Jude (see Jude 1:1).

Although this is not a common view, it is still possible that the epistle of James could have been written by "James the brother of John", whom Herod killed with the sword in Acts 12:2. If this is the case, it would explain why his epistle states that "faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone" (James 2:17); "faith without works is dead" (2:20); "by works a man is justified, and not by faith only" (2:24); etc. While the epistle of James seems to be lacking in much of the doctrine that is in Paul's epistles, it is obvious that Peter and John both included doctrines in their epistles that they learned from Paul (for example, compare 1 Pet. 1:18-19 to Peter's sermons during the book of Acts). So, because "James the brother of John" was killed before Paul received his revelation from the Lord, this would explain why the epistle of James says these things, if he was the one who wrote it. "James the brother of John" died before he could learn the truths that Peter and John apparently learned (directly or indirectly) from the apostle Paul.

In any case, no matter which James wrote the epistle, his statement that the twelve tribes were "scattered abroad" (James 1:1) also matches the events recorded in Acts 8:1-4, which states that the church at Jerusalem was "scattered abroad" after the stoning of Stephen (compare Acts 11:19). In addition, this also agrees with the Lord's words at the "last supper". At that time, He quoted a prophecy which stated that the sheep of the flock would be "scattered abroad" upon His crucifixion, in Mt.26:31 -

Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.


The above prophecy which the Lord quoted comes from Zech.13:7-9 -

7: Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
8: And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9: And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.


In fact, Mark also records the Lord's quotation of the above prophecy, in Mk.14:27. According to this prophecy, then, "the sheep" (i.e., the nation of Israel) would be scattered upon the Lord's crucifixion, and one third of them would be brought "through the fire" (compare Mt.3:11; Luke 12:49). As a result, since James wrote his epistle to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, the Gentiles were not among his intended audience. To avoid doctrinal confusion, then, we should accept the book of James as it is, and simply allow it to say exactly what it says, to whom it was written (the twelve tribes of Israel). We should neither spiritualize the first verse, nor James chapter 2, nor the rest of the epistle.
 

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james is written to the 12 scattered tribes of Israel to correct the law teaching and correct there blessing and curseing that was given to the Jews

But now we are under grace as they are and need to change there way of thinking

James 1:2 ...count is joy when they fall into temptation...

this is far different than the Father prayer of matt 6:9-18 were they ask not to lead us into tempation

why is this different... different programs
 
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A Brother In Christ said:
james is written to the 12 scattered tribes of Israel to correct the law teaching and correct there blessing and curseing that was given to the Jews

Nope....it was written to the Jews who will be under the LAW again in ages to COME. Its not to correct ANYTHING, but to put them BACK under the program that God set aside temporarily....they are STILL under the blessing and cursing of the agreement they made with God in Leviticus 26. In fact, they have ONE course of curses that has YET to be fulfilled and that WILL happen when this age of GRACE ENDS and the timeclock picks up with Israel.

But now we are under grace as they are and need to change there way of thinking

NOPE...The people to whom this is addressed are full fledged JEWS...under the prophetic, law program that was INTERUPTED by Pauls message of the MYSTERY REVEALED. James isnt teaching GRACE...but is back to the law program that Israel will find themselves under in ages to come. Kingdom saints dont switch over to become members of the Body. The program under which they were saved is the program they STAY in.

James 1:2 ...count is joy when they fall into temptation...

this is far different than the Father prayer of matt 6:9-18 were they ask not to lead us into tempation

why is this different... different programs

James is the exact same program as Matthew. Its just that one is dealing with times PAST...and the other is dealing with ages to COME...both are dealing with the nation ISRAEL and NOT the Body of Christ.

Please prayerfully read the study here....LOOK at the scriptures. Dont read INTO them what they do NOT say...but take at face value what they DO say.
 
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Once again recognizing the simple principle of right division, making a straight cut would help with understanding that James is not written specifically to us or about us (the body of Christ). Again, all scripture is profitable and all scripture is for our learning, but we need to remember that scripture is for those in 'time past, BUT NOW, and ages to come.'
Information in James will be specifically to help those who are going through the great tribulation the time of Jacob's trouble which will take place after we the body of Christ are caught up to meet the Lord in the air.
This dispensation of the gospel of the grace of God will come to a close and God will once again start the 'time clock of prophecy'..and the next thing on the time line when the body of Christ is caught away is the great tribulation.

Time past, BUT NOW, ages to come.
 
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eph3Nine said:
Nope....it was written to the Jews who will be under the LAW again in ages to COME. Its not to correct ANYTHING, but to put them BACK under the program that God set aside temporarily....they are STILL under the blessing and cursing of the agreement they made with God in Leviticus 26. In fact, they have ONE course of curses that has YET to be fulfilled and that WILL happen when this age of GRACE ENDS and the timeclock picks up with Israel.



NOPE...The people to whom this is addressed are full fledged JEWS...under the prophetic, law program that was INTERUPTED by Pauls message of the MYSTERY REVEALED. James isnt teaching GRACE...but is back to the law program that Israel will find themselves under in ages to come. Kingdom saints dont switch over to become members of the Body. The program under which they were saved is the program they STAY in.



James is the exact same program as Matthew. Its just that one is dealing with times PAST...and the other is dealing with ages to COME...both are dealing with the nation ISRAEL and NOT the Body of Christ.

Please prayerfully read the study here....LOOK at the scriptures. Dont read INTO them what they do NOT say...but take at face value what they DO say.

show me another verse than james 1:1 to show this
 
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A Brother In Christ said:
show me another verse than james 1:1 to show this

Please DO the bible study...READ the verses...I think there is more than just ONE there.;)

Comparing scripture WITH scripture is how we determine what God is telling us. It will take you all of fifteen minutes if you take the time to actually LOOK UP the verses and LOOK at what they say.

This is how God intends for all of us to understand Him and His Word...thru STUDY.
 
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A Brother In Christ said:
I have given one that disagrees with your thought process


If you cannot see the different ... will not study the verses I gave to you

and you do not have anyother verses ?

this a weak statement you have made

Sir...an entire BIBLE STUDY with accompanying verses was provided FOR you to compare scripture with scripture as God intends you to do if you really are STUDYING.

Obviously, you are not used to studying and Gods Word isnt that high a priority...

That is your choice. The lesson STANDS and WILL be appreciated by those who DO study, as God admonishes us to do. Shifting the focus to your "personal thoughts" instead of dealing with scripture and staying within the confines of the original post is not worthy of further response...and you will get none further from me.

Have a great day.:thumbsup:
 
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crown of life in james 1:12 is a promise to the body

as it is crown of rejoicing in 1 thes 2:19
as is crown of righteousness 2 tim 4:8
as is the crown of glory in 1 peter 5:4
as it the incorruptible crown in 1 cor 9:25

3 of the 5 crown Paul wrote about
2 of the 5 crowns james and peter each wrote about one

Revelations 4:4-11 shows that they are rewarded before the Great tribulation starts..called rapture


but you do not like a study on this because it is contrary to your beliefs

so what other verses in James have you mistranslated
gotta use other scripture to compare scripture
 
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Ok, let me start by saying that this is the second thread of yours that i have read. I have never heard teaching like this. (well, i have heard jack van impe he tends to believe a dispensational view of the end times) I am currently reading A.W pink and his teaching is in a similar vein. I really like the ideas you bring up, they are very thought provoking!

I wonder though, if i was born a jew, and was circumsised, but i have now accepted christ, am i saved? or more precisly, by which method am i saved? This is purly hypothetical. I am gentile.
 
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crown of life in james 1:12 is a promise to the body

The crown of life in verse 12 above it not addressed to members of the Body of Christ, but to those memberts of the 12 tribes scattered abroad.

as it is crown of rejoicing in 1 thes 2:19
as is crown of righteousness 2 tim 4:8
as is the crown of glory in 1 peter 5:4
as it the incorruptible crown in 1 cor 9:25

3 of the 5 crown Paul wrote about
2 of the 5 crowns james and peter each wrote about one

The crowns that Paul wrote are given to members of the Body of Christ. The crowns that Peter and James write about are for members of the 12 tribes scattered. They are not the same crowns.

When I have a niece and nephew graduate from high School, I send them both a monetary check for equal amounts. The reward given to them are exactly the same, but the checks are not. They are written to two diffferent individualls.

All believer will received rewards, but the rewards may be different.

Revelations 4:4-11 shows that they are rewarded before the Great tribulation starts..called rapture

but you do not like a study on this because it is contrary to your beliefs

so what other verses in James have you mistranslated
gotta use other scripture to compare scripture

Revelation 4:4-11 is not written to members of the Body of Christ. Can't find any rewards given in those verses, or anything about the rapture.

FYI, the Church, the Body of Christ, cannot be found anywhere in the entire book of the Revelation. There is no need to write to the Church, Body of Christ in this book, because the Church will have already been raptured to heaven. The book of the Revelation is entirely about the fulfillment of OT prophesy to Israel.

God Bless.
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I wonder though, if i was born a jew, and was circumsised, but i have now accepted christ, am i saved? or more precisly, by which method am i saved? This is purly hypothetical. I am gentile.

A Jew was never saved by just being circumcised. Circumcision only entitled him to God's promises to Israel, provided he did the deed/works of the Law by FAITH.

A circumcised Jew today is not saved by performing the deed/works of the Law by FAITH, but by placing their FAITH ALONE in the Cross work (death, burial and resurrection) of Christ for their salvation.

God Bless.
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A Jew was never saved by just being circumcised. Circumcision only entitled him to God's promises to Israel, provided he did the deed/works of the Law by FAITH.

A circumcised Jew today is not saved by performing the deed/works of the Law by FAITH, but by placing their FAITH ALONE in the Cross work (death, burial and resurrection) of Christ for their salvation.

God Bless.
Live Well, Laugh Often and Love the Lord!

amen Dispy, amen
 
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show me according to context.. please verse

1 thes 2:19 crown of rejoicing
2 tim 4:8 crown of righteousness
james 1:12, rev 2:10 crown of life
1 peter 5:4 crown of glory
1 cor 9:25 uncorruptible crown

church has recieved rewards in heaven rev 4:4-11

romans 1:16 For am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the greek

God is still working with the Jews but when they believe they are no Jews in the heavens any more

The crown of life in verse 12 above it not addressed to members of the Body of Christ, but to those memberts of the 12 tribes scattered abroad.
the book of james is written between 45 to 50 ad

which is right after penecost ....

which means that the Jewish program is being set aside till the tribulation

So that since believers can have God residing in them

as Gal 3:28 states There is either Jew or greek[no religion differences] neither slave or free [ no social status], no male or female [ no sex status]: for you are all one in the body of Christ


The crowns that Paul wrote are given to members of the Body of Christ. The crowns that Peter and James write about are for members of the 12 tribes scattered. They are not the same crowns.
statement without verses ......
When I have a niece and nephew graduate from high School, I send them both a monetary check for equal amounts. The reward given to them are exactly the same, but the checks are not. They are written to two diffferent individualls.
one must look at the mail I agree ... yet in revelations what are the seven churches in the beginning of the book When does the tribulation start .... rev 6 first seal opened
All believer will received rewards, but the rewards may be different.
Law believing Jews are promised to rule the earth

the Church of God is promised to rule with Christ over the universe
Revelation 4:4-11 is not written to members of the Body of Christ. Can't find any rewards given in those verses, or anything about the rapture.
where in first opinions did you find this?

rev 4:10 the Four and twenty elders fall down before Him that sat on the throne, and worship Him that liveth forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne

and you can't put the other verses on crowns to who is throwing them at Christ feet... wow
FYI, the Church, the Body of Christ, cannot be found anywhere in the entire book of the Revelation. There is no need to write to the Church, Body of Christ in this book, because the Church will have already been raptured to heaven. The book of the Revelation is entirely about the fulfillment of OT prophesy to Israel.

God Bless.
Live Well, Laugh Often and Love the Lord!

Not only in the beginning yet the Church shows up again in Revelations 19:7-10,14, chapter 21
 
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Faith PLUS works (ie: a demonstration of their faith proven thru OBEDIENCE to whatever God required of them at that time) was the rule of the day for Israel.

For Abraham, it was believing that God would indeed bless all nations thru him...with Noah it was beleiving that God would indeed judge the world and that he and his family could be saved by building an ark (a real test of faith as they had never seen RAIN, let alone a flood)...with Peter and the boys it was believing in the prophesied MESSIAH who would rule with the Nation on twelve thrones with twelve tribes in an EARTHLY Kingdom.

For WE the body of Christ it is to believe in the gospel of OUR salvation which is found in 1 Cor 15:1-4 and in the MYSTERY truths given to Paul for us.

God not only wants people to be saved, but to come to a FULL knowledge of the truth.

Without Pauls epistles, that full knowledge is NOT POSSIBLE....Pauls information received thru DIRECT revelation is what SCRIPTURE says "completes the Word of God"....


Believe it! Come to a full knowledge of the truth by ACKNOWLEDGING Gods SPOKESMAN to we the Body of Christ.

Its a truly liberating experience, but BELIEF IS the ISSUE!
 
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Faith PLUS works (ie: a demonstration of their faith proven thru OBEDIENCE to whatever God required of them at that time) was the rule of the day for Israel.
Abraham was not under law....
Faith hebrews 11:8-19 , Gen 15:6
works James 2:21-24 ... Gen 22:10

scripture put this in context

not your imagination

For Abraham, it was believing that God would indeed bless all nations thru him...with Noah it was beleiving that God would indeed judge the world and that he and his family could be saved by building an ark (a real test of faith as they had never seen RAIN, let alone a flood)...with Peter and the boys it was believing in the prophesied MESSIAH who would rule with the Nation on twelve thrones with twelve tribes in an EARTHLY Kingdom.
In luke 22:30 it states that the apostles will judge the twelve tribe of Israel where are there thrones? NEW JERSALEM WITH GOD NOT ON EARTH what are the judging? Gen 28:12, zech 8:23, EXODUS 19:6, zech 14:16, KEEPING UNRIGHTEOUSNESS OUT FROM HEAVEN
For WE the body of Christ it is to believe in the gospel of OUR salvation which is found in 1 Cor 15:1-4 and in the MYSTERY truths given to Paul for us.

God not only wants people to be saved, but to come to a FULL knowledge of the truth.

Without Pauls epistles, that full knowledge is NOT POSSIBLE....Pauls information received thru DIRECT revelation is what SCRIPTURE says "completes the Word of God"....

Believe it! Come to a full knowledge of the truth by ACKNOWLEDGING Gods SPOKESMAN to we the Body of Christ.

Its a truly liberating experience, but BELIEF IS the ISSUE!

PEACE IS IN CHRIST NOT ON THE EARTH

EPH 4:13
 
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