The book of Enoch, jasher, & jubilees

[Archie the Preacher]

In all my being I believe these books are a part of the bible that were ripped out and hidden for the purpose of preventing the truth from coming out.

So, what truth has been prevented? Can you share with us?

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

So, what truth has been prevented? Can you share with us?

Have you read the books for yourself? While others can freely give the answers we are commanded to study to show ourselves approved unto God.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

Have you read the books for yourself? While others can freely give the answers we are commanded to study to show ourselves approved unto God.

This is what is known as a 'diversion' and is indicative of insecurity or knowledge of lack. Aside from that, my query was directed to the originator of the thread, not you. Do you fear Teslafied cannot sufficiently answer for himself?

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

This is what is known as a 'diversion' and is indicative of insecurity or knowledge of lack. Aside from that, my query was directed to the originator of the thread, not you. Do you fear Teslafied cannot sufficiently answer for himself?

No I do not fear that she cannot answer for herself. One's "lack of knowledge" may simply be due to the fact that they cannot express eloquently in words what they wish to say though, as our sister has testified for herself that she believes in her heart that it is true after reading the books for herself.
Yes your question was directed to her but, my question was directed to you.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

Yes your question was directed to her but, my question was directed to you.

By your example, I will let someone else answer it.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

By your example, I will let someone else answer it.

Says the one "secure" in his beliefs.

 

[mmksparbud]

Yes, I have, very prayerfully----and there is a very good reason they are not a part of the bible. They are not truth, they are not inspired by God. I realize those who think so will not agree but the question was asked, I answered.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

So, while we have posters who claim these extraneous writings are 'true', they cannot even outline the truth in them. Instead, they depend on someone else to explain them.

Not very convincing to me.

 

[daughterofthemosthigh7]

If you read it you'd see it's real. They only claim it's forged just so they can hide the full truth, just like they hid Enoch and jubilees.

Never read any of them b4 but a lot of the prophecy scholars "experts" i follow study/quote them but learned/heard verboten is "gnosticism" but lately I'm beginning to wonder... Seems "they" like to steal kill destroy hide confuse too...

 

[lesliedellow]

The man clearly said that he never bothered to read any of the books but, has instead chose to side with the opinion of the scholars. He does this in ignorance without realizing that there were many scholars among the Jews who crucified Christ Jesus to the cross.

Fact number 1: From the first century, right up until the end of the fourteenth century, there is not a single mention of the Book of Jasher. But then somebody decided to forge it.

Fact number 2: Since then there have been several other forgeries produced.

 

[Berean1611]

I wonder what happened to another book mentioned in scripture that apparently have been lost.

"Wherefore it is said in the Book of the Wars of the Lord" - Numbers 21:14

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

I wonder what happened to another book mentioned in scripture that apparently have been lost.

"Wherefore it is said in the Book of the Wars of the Lord" - Numbers 21:14

It will be found more than likely if not already. The Book of Gad the Seer has been discovered and was formerly written off as "forever lost".

 

[lesliedellow]

It will be found more than likely if not already. The Book of Gad the Seer has been discovered and was formerly written off as "forever lost".

No it hasn't. It is another forgery, which shows an acquaintance with the Kabbalistic Judaism that didn't emerge until the twelth century.

 

[Berean1611]

It will be found more than likely if not already. The Book of Gad the Seer has been discovered and was formerly written off as "forever lost".

The only problem with that is there are those out there who are skilled in the art of giving an "artifact" the appearance of very old age. As we speak, a good friend is working on a paper concerning Sinaiticus possibly being a forgery.

 

[lesliedellow]

As we speak, a good friend is working on a paper concerning Sinaiticus possibly being a forgery.

That particular conspiracy theory is not exactly what you would call original. Your friend wouldn't, by any chance, be a "KJV only" merchant, would he?

 

[Berean1611]

That particular conspiracy theory is not exactly what you would call original.

He doesn't claim to have concocted a new theory. He has uncovered new evidence that gives credence to the idea. I'll post a link when he's ready to publish his findings.

 

[lesliedellow]

He doesn't claim to have concocted a new theory. He has uncovered new evidence that gives credence to the idea. I'll post a link when he's ready to publish his findings.

Even discounting Sinaiticus or Vaticanus, there is (for example) no manuscript prior to the fifth century which records the episode the KJV has in John 8.1-11. Doubtless a fact highly displeasing to a KJV-only-ist.

 

[Berean1611]

Even discounting Sinaiticus or Vaticanus, there is (for example) no manuscript prior to the fifth century which records the episode the KJV has in John 8.1-11. Doubtless a fact highly displeasing to a KJV-only-ist.

We were discussing forgeries and how some new discoveries are faked to appear older - not being KJO. I prefer the KJV but use many translations in my studies. If I knew how to post a photo I'd show you my collection.

 

[Stillicidia]

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[YHWH_will_uplift]

No it hasn't. It is another forgery, which shows an acquaintance with the Kabbalistic Judaism that didn't emerge until the twelth century.

Have you read the book for yourself? If not then it would do you well to stop giving book reviews on books you have not read. I have read the works you claim to be forgeries and have not found them to be false, as Jesus said: "My sheep will know My Voice."

The only problem with that is there are those out there who are skilled in the art of giving an "artifact" the appearance of very old age. As we speak, a good friend is working on a paper concerning Sinaiticus possibly being a forgery.

Yes liars are great at suppressing the truth but, not for long. While everything is indeed possible is it reasonable? Many people make similar claims about the Bible being a fake with baseless assertions that we cannot know the truth since so many translations and revisions have been made when, in truth these revisions and translations are merely academic duels between the learned to see "who can best translate and communicate what God said". I would recommend your friend save himself time and work by using this basic principle given in Genisis 1:1-5 to determine truth from falsehood: as the light reveals itself and the darkness and the darkness conceals itself and the light thereby being oppposed one another; so too, does truth reveal itself and falsehood while falsehood conceals truth and itself: therefore that which contradicts others and not itself is truth but that which contradicts others and itself is falsehood.