The Biblical Creation myth and science

[toff]

Evolution- The idea various types of animals and plants have their orgins in other preexisting types and that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications over time and breeding.

You're not exactly supporting your claim to have read a great deal about the subject with this definition...

 

[Arikay]

almost. What are the mechanisms that bring these changes?

Yeah sure.

Evolution- The idea various types of animals and plants have their orgins in other preexisting types and that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications over time and breeding.

Was that ok?

 

[Jack_Racz]

Sorry, but if you say that there is no proof that evolution occurs, you ARE ignorant. As well as simply wrong.

Personal attacks have nothing to do with this, and if you can not go with out this sort of statement I will consider this discussion over.

 

[toff]

Personal attcks have nothing to do with this, and if you can not go with out this sort of statement I will consider this discussion over.

I have made no personal attack. I have stated a simple fact. A person who does not know something is ignorant of that thing. You (apparently) do not know that evolution is repeatedly observed. That makes you ignorant of this fact.

 

[Ishmael Borg]

Personal attacks have nothing to do with this, and if you can not go with out this sort of statement I will consider this discussion over.

Can you answer my question about the mechanism responsible for the post-deluvian diversification of "kinds" before you consider this discussion over? Thanks.

 

[Jack_Racz]

wrong thread

 

[Jack_Racz]

almost. What are the mechanisms that bring these changes?

If the animals are seperated from others of the species or a change in climate occurs.
The idea is that if a need is there the animal will adapt, or mutate, to save the species.

Those are just two ways that it "can" start.

Good?

 

[trunks2k]

If the animals are seperated from others of the species or a change in climate occurs.

Those are just two ways that it "can" start.

Good?

Gettin' there. But that's not exactly what he meant.

 

[Ishmael Borg]

I think I read about this on the 'Answers in Genesis' website. I think they called the diversification mechanism micro-something. It's on the tip of my tongue...

 

[Arikay]

Not quite, but almost, still missing a mechanism. And mutations occur no matter what the needs of the animals are.

To go along with finishing that question, what would you consider evidence for evolution?

If the animals are seperated from others of the species or a change in climate occurs.
The idea is that if a need is there the animal will adapt, or mutate, to save the species.

Those are just two ways that it "can" start.

Good?

 

[toff]

If the animals are seperated from others of the species or a change in climate occurs.
The idea is that if a need is there the animal will adapt, or mutate, to save the species.

Those are just two ways that it "can" start.

Good?

And you claim to have read lots of books on evolutionary theory?

 

[Jack_Racz]

To go along with finishing that question, what would you consider evidence for evolution?

Mind if I ask a question?
What do you consider evidence for God?

Ok, what I would consider proof is that if you could tell me the difference between adapting and evolution, make it clear. Cause my house cat doesn't have a mountian lion in it's long line of relatives. And then I want to hear about one of these laboritoies have done to prove it. And if fruit flies get brought up I am going to be sick. I always hear that one...

 

[Jack_Racz]

And you claim to have read lots of books on evolutionary theory?

Done.
Sorry I didn't write a thesis for ya Dr. Toff.

 

[toff]

Done.
Sorry I didn't write a thesis for ya Dr. Toff.

No, you haven't. Nor have any of your posts demonstrated even the most elementary understanding of the theory of evolution - in fact, quite the reverse.

 

[Arikay]

Don't know, that is for apologetics, since science does not deal with deity or no deity.

What is your definition of adaption and what is your definition of evolution?

Cat,
So I guess your cat must not be a feline. Its funny that many creationist organizations disagree with you. They often treat cat as a "kind" this includes all felines.

Edit: you are still missing things from your basic definition of evolution.

Mind if I ask a question?
What do you consider evidence for God?

Ok, what I would consider proof is that if you could tell me the difference between adapting and evolution, make it clear. Cause my house cat doesn't have a mountian lion in it's long line of relatives. And then I want to hear about one of these laboritoies have done to prove it. And if fruit flies get brought up I am going to be sick. I always hear that one...

 

[MinDach]

no, but we can measure the sizes of stars through a number of different means. The diameter of betelgeuse was measured in the early 20th century, and this star is significantly bigger than our own. Also by examining the black body spectra of stars we can measure their surface temperature. This Surface temperature then relates to their size, since the hotter they are, the larger they are, because of the increased amount of Nuclear Fusion in their core. This increased heat leads to them being blue. So the large red giant stars and the hot blue stars are significantly bigger than our Sun, which is actually quite a standard, boring star.

The reason that space is full of light, is because the universe is not infinitely old, and space is not infinitely big. Therefore we only see the light from stars that are close enough to be seen.

Thank you, I accept your answer, makes sense.
But there is one thing I do have a problem with, If there are so many stars that they can not be counted, Meaning I could not put enough number on this page for the amount of stars out there) and there are all suns, some larger and some smaller, the amount of light coming this way would be so bright it would make night time day, no matter how far away they are, I do not believe we know the distance that our own suns lights go out in to space. I could be wrong, I do not know every thing.LOL But as I had said early in my post, the sun and stars are not my thing.

 

[Arikay]

This is Olbers' Paradox, more info can be found here,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers_paradox

the universe is so big that even though there are billions of stars, by the time their light gets here, they look like small points.

Thank you, I accept your answer, makes sense.
But there is one thing I do have a problem with, If there are so many stars that they can not be counted, Meaning I could not put enough number on this page for the amount of stars out there) and there are all suns, some larger and some smaller, the amount of light coming this way would be so bright it would make night time day, no matter how far away they are, I do not believe we know the distance that our own suns lights go out in to space. I could be wrong, I do not know every thing.LOL But as I had said early in my post, the sun and stars are not my thing.

 

[trunks2k]

Thank you, I accept your answer, makes sense.
But there is one thing I do have a problem with, If there are so many stars that they can not be counted, Meaning I could not put enough number on this page for the amount of stars out there) and there are all suns,

You're wording is a little annoying so let's be clear on some stuff. The Sun is just the name we gave for the star that is in the middle of of our solar system. Our sun, in basic structure is no different than other stars. Some stars are larger, smaller, hotter, or cooler than the sun is.

some larger and some smaller, the amount of light coming this way would be so bright it would make night time day, no matter how far away they are, I do not believe we know the distance that our own suns lights go out in to space.

While I see what you are tring to say, and I suppose, theoretically, if there were an almost infinite amount of stars for an period of time, we could possibly enter a situation you describe. But there's a few things that need to be noted.

1. There is not an infinite amount of stars. There is a mindboggling large number of them, but not infinite.
2. Light takes time to travel. Light from sources from billions of years ago, is just now reaching earth. By the time the light from star B reaches us, star A may have died off (like our Sun will do one day) and we no longer get it's light.
3. There is a lot of stuff in the way, planets, nebula, random gasses, black holes, and dark matter just to name a few can block/absorb/deflect light away from the earth.

 

[Meatros]

You are right that God created the sun after making plants. But light was made the first day.

And without the Sun, plants could not live. That's my point. It's ridiculous to postulate that they could-therefore a literal Genesis is not a feasible option.

 

[MinDach]

You're wording is a little annoying

Sorry you did not like my wording.

And as for Genesis, I think if it was read better, you would see that God was talking about the seeds, not plants. Seeds can be in the dark and cold for a very long time.