Agree. God spoke and wrote all of the 10 commandments. This is the only scripture written by God. This is the Word of God. All of His commandments are pure, including the day He asked us to Remember, His special Sabbath day that He Sanctified and Blessed.I think one of the major problems in folks saying that the Holy Bible is the Word of God is that they think it has errors in it. But according to the Bible, his words are pure words (Psalms 12:6). So it then becomes a matter of faith in God's Word. For faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17).
You and I may both be followers of Christ, but we disagree on pretty much everything you posted there. Proverbs 20:5 and Luke 4:4 say "every word of God". But they don't say what words ARE the word of God. And remember, Luke was written before the NT even existed. It was also written at a time when the books and letters in the NT were being penned, and they constantly quote, word for word, the Septuagint. Yet our bibles all include the English translation of the Masoretic text, which is different in some very fundamental ways. So, which is the "word of God"? I say it is anything that begins with something like "The Lord said..." or anything in the NT that is in red. The rest is men inspired by God (AKA God breathed). And that would include the writing of people like C. S. Lewis and a lot of pastors.The Bible can be referred to as the Word of God.
For the communicated Word can be referred to as the Word of God.
“Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.” (Proverbs 30:5).
“And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.” (Luke 4:4).
These two verses above are obviously not referring to Jesus (Unless you believe there are many Jesus's.). Every word of God is pure. This is in reference to the communicated Word of God. This can be either the spoken Word of God or the written Word of God.
No. You cannot be saved without the Holy Bible. We know of Jesus Christ today because of the words found in Scripture. We know of the gospel because of Scripture or the Holy Bible. We know of the correct version of the gospel, and the correct version of Jesus by having a Holy Bible. For Paul talked about how there is another gospel, and Christ talked about how there are false Christs. So you need a Holy Bible to have the correct ones.
Jesus calls Scripture the word of God in Mt 15:6.
The NT presents the
Word of God Incarnate (Jn 1:4)
Word of God spoken (Lk 5:1) and
Word of God written (Mt 15:6).
You and I may both be followers of Christ, but we disagree on pretty much everything you posted there. Proverbs 20:5 and Luke 4:4 say "every word of God". But they don't say what words ARE the word of God. And remember, Luke was written before the NT even existed. It was also written at a time when the books and letters in the NT were being penned, and they constantly quote, word for word, the Septuagint. Yet our bibles all include the English translation of the Masoretic text, which is different in some very fundamental ways. So, which is the "word of God"? I say it is anything that begins with something like "The Lord said..." or anything in the NT that is in red. The rest is men inspired by God (AKA God breathed). And that would include the writing of people like C. S. Lewis and a lot of pastors.
And plenty of people around the world have been saved without ever seeing a bible. It is not required for salvation, but what it teaches is. And what it teaches can STILL be handed down through the holy spirit. A bible is a HUGE blessing, and can solidify your walk with God, but your salvation does not depend on it. Your salvation depends on faith.
You and I may both be followers of Christ, but we disagree on pretty much everything you posted there. Proverbs 20:5 and Luke 4:4 say "every word of God". But they don't say what words ARE the word of God. And remember, Luke was written before the NT even existed. It was also written at a time when the books and letters in the NT were being penned, and they constantly quote, word for word, the Septuagint. Yet our bibles all include the English translation of the Masoretic text, which is different in some very fundamental ways. So, which is the "word of God"? I say it is anything that begins with something like "The Lord said..." or anything in the NT that is in red. The rest is men inspired by God (AKA God breathed). And that would include the writing of people like C. S. Lewis and a lot of pastors.
And plenty of people around the world have been saved without ever seeing a bible. It is not required for salvation, but what it teaches is. And what it teaches can STILL be handed down through the holy spirit. A bible is a HUGE blessing, and can solidify your walk with God, but your salvation does not depend on it. Your salvation depends on faith.
Thanks!Yes, I agree, except I take the reference as Mark 7:13 and not Matthew 15:6. In the KJB, it does not mention the Word of God in Matthew 15:6, but in Mark 7:13 (a parallel verse) it does mention it.
I do keep His commandments. If you think keeping His commandments means studying all the Old Testament laws (as well as new testament), then you have a burden that Jesus came to set us free from. His law is written on our hearts through the Holy Spirit. And yes, I do read the Bible. You probably noticed that I have quoted it in many of my posts. How would I know these things if I did not read?I did a study on God's commands in the New Testament in order to discover them. The problem in your view is that you don't have to worry about them because you said you don't need a book to guide your relationship with Christ. This is contrary to the Bible (1 John 2:3-4).
Also, "Scripture" at that time was the Septuagint. And the NT had not yet been written.Yes, I agree, except I take the reference as Mark 7:13 and not Matthew 15:6. In the KJB, it does not mention the Word of God in Matthew 15:6, but in Mark 7:13 (a parallel verse) it does mention it.
Exactly, all Scripture is inspired by God, and faith comes by HEARING the Word of God (Jesus)! There is not a verse in Scripture that declares that the Bible is the Word of God. There are plenty of Scriptures quoting God's words, but Scripture says that Jesus is the Word of God John 1.1, Hebrews 4.12, Rev 19.13 etc.2 Timothy 3:16 says all Scripture is given by inspiration of God. So EVERY word of God would include Scripture that is inspired by God. To say so otherwise is to deny the Scripture or the Bible is God's words. In fact, a person cannot even have faith without the Bible. For faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). You would not know about Jesus, or the gospel if it was not for the Bible.
This may help: The Origin of the LXXThe LXX is a fraud. Jesus talked about jots and tittles (Which is a form of Hebrew writing) and not Greek. Jesus barely even talked with a Canaanite woman and he did not send his disciples into the way of the Gentiles during His earthly ministry. So it would have been inappropriate for Jesus to quote from any Gentile copies of the Hebrew Scriptures if there were any around at that time. The LXX was created long after the New Testament was complete.
Yes. The important thing to take into account is the context, both within the chapter, within the book within the moment in history and within the culture from which it comes. Timothy was written before the NT was compiled. Scripture at that time would have been the OT. And "scripture" literally means "something written down". So, it was written down copies of the OT. and yes, it IS good for everything 2 Timothy 3 says.2 Timothy 3:16 says all Scripture is given by inspiration of God. So EVERY word of God would include Scripture that is inspired by God. To say so otherwise is to deny the Scripture or the Bible is God's words. In fact, a person cannot even have faith without the Bible. For faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). You would not know about Jesus, or the gospel if it was not for the Bible.
I do keep His commandments. If you think keeping His commandments means studying all the Old Testament laws (as well as new testament), then you have a burden that Jesus came to set us free from.
This may help: The Origin of the LXX
You seem to be hung up on words used in the English translation and ignore the actual contextual meaning of the words. "Jot" and "tittle" are not Hebrew words. They are English words. The actual Greek words in the NT there are ἰῶτα and κεραία and actually have a definition. Just perusing a Greek lexicon will clarify. And those words are in the NT, in Matthew 5:18. The message is pretty simple. Even the tiniest part will not pass away until...Sorry, I am not interested because as I stated, Jesus mentioned jots and tittles (Which is Hebrew) and not Greek. Jesus did not send His disciples into the way of the Gentiles for a reason. Jesus came for the lost house of the tribe of Israel before the cross. It was only by the fall of Israel that the Gentiles were grafted into the vine.
Anyways, Matthew 22:37-40 does not mean that if we keep these two commands, we automatically will fulfill all of the rest of God's commands. That is not what this passage is saying. It merely means that the two greatest commands is where all the other commands will stem forth from. Granted, yes, it is true that we will not murder, not commit adultery, not steal, etc. if we love our neighbor (See: Romans 13:8-10). But there are other commands that we will not automatically just do without a specific detailed commmand given to us.
True and so in Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments *Exodus 20:8-11; Exodus 24:20; Hebrews 4:9The Bible is a rule book. The New Testament has about approximately 400 some commands in it.
In fact, to believe in Jesus Christ is a commandment according to 1 John 3:23. Repentance is a commandment according to Acts of the Apostles 17:30.
This thread is not about whether the Saturday Sabbath command is still applicable today. The thread topic is about whether the Word of God can be in reference to the Holy Bible.
Besides, I have already addressed the Sabbath Command in post #171 for our readers to know the truth. Anyone who simply reads Scripture plainly will come to the same conclusion that I have. But many today do not want to read Scripture plainly when it bumps heads with what they prefer to believe.
So lets agree to diagree;
Good day to you in the Lord.
And may God bless you.
Jesus was referring to the NEW commands He just gave us at the Sermon on the Mount. An example of a least command in my view would be to:
Rejoice and be exceedingly glad when we are reviled, or persecuted or when another says evil things against us falsely for Christ's sake.
“Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.” (Matthew 5:11-12).
You know the Lord by keeping all the commandments including the 4th commandment. The one God asked us not to forget but Remember. This is the most important commandment on how we get to know God every week on His Sabbath, the only day He deemed Holy and Blessed. The only day He Sanctified.
The 4th commandment is about spending time with God, every Sabbath on His Holy day. When you spend time with someone you get to know them.
I find it interesting you say to obey His commandments, but state the only commandment we should “forget” is the one God asked us to “Remember”.
God says He changes not, this includes His Sabbath, the day that Jesus also kept. The day has never changed that is why in Isaiah 66:23 all will worship Him every Sabbath on the New Earth.
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