The Bible Has Changed (Moved)

[ChainBreaker]

Isaiah 11:6 "And the lion shall lay down with the lamb" is now "and the wolf shall dwell with the lamb."

 

[Wolfe]

am I missing the point?

Or is there one?

 

[mcarmichael]

Wolf makes more sense, because a wolf in sheep's clothing, etc.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

If the original language (Hebrew or Greek) says "lion", then the translator has decided to change the text to suit his own interpretation. I think that using "lion" is more powerful, because of the contrast between the two animals. The lion is "the king of the beast" and depicts power, ferocity and dignity that is quite the opposite of the lamb which depicts helplessness and vulnerability. The verse juxtaposes the two to show the peacefulness within the animal world where even enemies can be at peace with one another when Jesus is reigning over the world. Using the wolf is not as powerful and so the contrast is not so prominent.

 

[mcarmichael]

I have an oldish Bible, I'm going to look this up, just to settle everyone.

 

[mcarmichael]

"And the wolf will dwell with the lamb,
And the leopard will lie down with the kid,
And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together;
And a little boy will lead them.
Also the cow and the bear will graze;
Their young will lie down together
And the lion will eat straw like the ox.
And the nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra,
And the weaned child will put his hand on the viper's den.
They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain,
For the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord
As the waters cover the seas." - NASV, 1978

 

[Armoured]

am I missing the point?

Or is there one?

The point is that wolves are cool, I think?

 

[khristosanesti]

Isaiah 11:6 "And the lion shall lay down with the lamb" is now "and the wolf shall dwell with the lamb."

Different translations drastically change things to suit their own agenda. You do realize different translations exist right?


The best translation is the Doauy Rheims Bible, a great direct word for word translation of Saint Jerome's Latin Vulgate which is without error.

 

[Anguspure]

Isaiah 11:6 "And the lion shall lay down with the lamb" is now "and the wolf shall dwell with the lamb."

Wish I could track down the quote, perhaps from a book on the reformation, but the wolves I was warned about are the priesthood of the the RCC and an image of the Orthodox church ones would have them sleeping. apologies @Wolfe

 

[Wolfe]

The poit is that wolves are cool, I think?

That they are.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

I wasn't aware it was ever a lion in the first place. I understood it to have been a wolf all along. Unless I'm mistaken, the song "Peace in the Valley" which says "the lion shall lie down by the lamb" did a misquote. That happens often with biblical expressions, kind of like "money is the root of all evil," "pride goeth before a fall," and "spare the rod, spoil the child," all of which are incorrect.

 

[Dave-W]

Isaiah 11:6 "And the lion shall lay down with the lamb" is now "and the wolf shall dwell with the lamb."

Here is a list of that verse in numerous translations, both modern and old:


KJ21
“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
ASV
And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
AMP
And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fatted steer together; And a little child will lead them.
AMPC
And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid, and the calf and the young lion and the fatted domestic animal together; and a little child shall lead them.
BRG
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
CEB
The wolf will live with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the young goat; the calf and the young lion will feed together, and a little child will lead them.
CJB
The wolf will live with the lamb; the leopard lie down with the kid; calf, young lion and fattened lamb together, with a little child to lead them.
CEV
Leopards will lie down with young goats, and wolves will rest with lambs. Calves and lions will eat together and be cared for by little children.
DARBY
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid, and the calf and the young lion and the fatted beast together, and a little child shall lead them.
DRA
The wolf shall dwell with the lamb: and the leopard shall lie down with the kid: the calf and the lion, and the sheep shall abide together, and a little child shall lead them.
ERV
Then wolves will live at peace with lambs, and leopards will lie down in peace with young goats. Calves, lions, and bulls will all live together in peace. A little child will lead them.
ESV
The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them.
ESVUK
The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them.
EXB
The wolf will ·live in peace [L live; dwell] with the lamb, and the leopard will ·lie down to rest [L lie down] with the young goat [C peace within the animal kingdom symbolizes the restoration of creation; 65:25]. Calves, lions, and ·young bulls [or fattened calves; L fatling] will ·eat [or be] together, and a little child will lead them.
GNV
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie with the kid, and the calf, and the lion, and the fat beast together, and a little child shall lead them.
GW
Wolves will live with lambs. Leopards will lie down with goats. Calves, young lions, and year-old lambs will be together, and little children will lead them.
GNT
Wolves and sheep will live together in peace, and leopards will lie down with young goats. Calves and lion cubs will feed together, and little children will take care of them.
HCSB
The wolf will live with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the goat. The calf, the young lion, and the fatling will be together, and a child will lead them.
ICB
Then wolves will live in peace with lambs. And leopards will lie down to rest with goats. Calves, lions and young bulls will eat together. And a little child will lead them.
ISV
“The wolf will live with the lamb; the leopard will lie down with the young goat. The calf and the lion will graze together, and a little child will lead them.
JUB
The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a child shall shepherd them.
KJV
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
AKJV
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
LEB
And a wolf shall stay with a lamb, and a leopard shall lie down with a kid, and a calf and a lion and a fatling together as a small boy leads them.
TLB
In that day the wolf and the lamb will lie down together, and the leopard and goats will be at peace. Calves and fat cattle will be safe among lions, and a little child shall lead them all.
MSG
The wolf will romp with the lamb, the leopard sleep with the kid. Calf and lion will eat from the same trough, and a little child will tend them. Cow and bear will graze the same pasture, their calves and cubs grow up together, and the lion eat straw like the ox. The nursing child will crawl over rattlesnake dens, the toddler stick his hand down the hole of a serpent. Neither animal nor human will hurt or kill on my holy mountain. The whole earth will be brimming with knowing God-Alive, a living knowledge of God ocean-deep, ocean-wide.
MEV
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
NOG
Wolves will live with lambs. Leopards will lie down with goats. Calves, young lions, and year-old lambs will be together, and little children will lead them.
NABRE
Then the wolf shall be a guest of the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat; The calf and the young lion shall browse together, with a little child to guide them.
NASB
And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them.
NCV
Then wolves will live in peace with lambs, and leopards will lie down to rest with goats. Calves, lions, and young bulls will eat together, and a little child will lead them.
NET
A wolf will reside with a lamb, and a leopard will lie down with a young goat; an ox and a young lion will graze together, as a small child leads them along.
NIRV
Wolves will live with lambs. Leopards will lie down with goats. Calves and lions will eat together. And little children will lead them around.
NIV
The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them.
NIVUK
The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them.
NKJV
“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat, The calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little child shall lead them.
NLV
The wolf will live with the lamb. The leopard will lie down with the baby goat. The calf and the young lion and the young fat animal will lie down together. And a little boy will lead them.
NLT
In that day the wolf and the lamb will live together; the leopard will lie down with the baby goat. The calf and the yearling will be safe with the lion, and a little child will lead them all.
NRSV
The wolf shall live with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the kid, the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them.
NRSVA
The wolf shall live with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the kid, the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them.
NRSVACE
The wolf shall live with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the kid, the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them.
NRSVCE
The wolf shall live with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the kid, the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them.
OJB
The ze’ev (wolf) also shall dwell with the keves, and the namer (leopard) shall lie down with the gedi (young goat); and the egel and the lion whelp and the fatling together; and a na’ar shall lead them.
RSV
The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid, and the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them.
RSVCE
The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid, and the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them.
TLV
The wolf will dwell with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the kid, the calf and the young lion and the yearling together, and a little child will lead them.
VOICE
A day will come when the wolf will live peacefully beside the wobbly-kneed lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the young goat; The calf and yearling, newborn and slow, will rest secure with the lion; and a little child will tend them all.
WEB
The wolf will live with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the young goat; The calf, the young lion, and the fattened calf together; and a little child will lead them.
WYC
A wolf shall dwell with a lamb, and a leopard shall rest with a kid; a calf, and a lion, and a sheep shall dwell together, and a little child shall drive them. (A wolf shall live with a lamb, and a leopard shall rest with a goat kid; a calf, and a lion, and a sheep shall all live together, and a little child shall drive, or shall direct, them.)
YLT
And a wolf hath sojourned with a lamb, And a leopard with a kid doth lie down, And calf, and young lion, and fatling [are] together, And a little youth is leader over them.

 

[Dave-W]

Perhaps you were confusing that verse with this one?

Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb will graze together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox; and dust will be the serpent’s food. They will do no evil or harm in all My holy mountain,” says the Lord.

 

[Dave-W]

The Hebrew word translated "wolf" in the OP is zee'ev. זְאֵב (H2061)
It means yellow. It is used 7 times in the OT and the KJV in all instances translates it as wolf.

The word commonly translated "lion" is k'feer כְּפִיר (H3715)
It refers to the mane. It occurs 32 times and is translated lion 30.

 

[Dave-W]

https://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-...ay-that-the-lion-will-lie-down-with-the-lamb/

However, there are no biblical passages that refer to the lamb and the lion lying down together. That is a very commonly misquoted statement.

 

[Wolf_Says]

Wish I could track down the quote, perhaps from a book on the reformation, but the wolves I was warned about are the priesthood of the the RCC and an image of the Orthodox church ones would have them sleeping. apologies @Wolfe

Excuse me.....exactly how are priests from the Catholic Church wolves....?

Care to elaborate on this one??

 

[Der Alte]

Isaiah 11:6 "And the lion shall lay down with the lamb" is now "and the wolf shall dwell with the lamb."

From the Targum Isaiah. The pre-Christian Aramaic translation and the 225 BC, Septuagint.

Targum Isaiah 11:6 In the days of the Messiah of Israel peace shall be multiplied in the earth. The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall dwell with the kid ; and the calf, and the lion, and the fatling together ; and a little sucking child shall be leading them.
LXX Isaiah 11:6 And the wolf shall feed with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the young calf and bull and lion shall feed together; and a little child shall lead them. ​

 

[Wolfe]

Wish I could track down the quote, perhaps from a book on the reformation, but the wolves I was warned about are the priesthood of the the RCC and an image of the Orthodox church ones would have them sleeping. apologies @Wolfe

What're you apologizing to me for?

 

[Wolf_Says]

What're you apologizing to me for?

Well look who it is! The wolf brother!

 

[miamited]

Isaiah 11:6 "And the lion shall lay down with the lamb" is now "and the wolf shall dwell with the lamb."

Hi chainbreaker,

Let's break one now. I clicked on the verse link attached to your post and there's not a single one that is written that the lion shall lie with the lamb. I also went over to biblestudytools and did a 'compare' of Isaiah 11:6 and there's not a single translation that is written that the lion shall lie with the lamb. Post #12 has many of the currently available translations of Isaiah 11:6 copied over.

So, my question: What translation are you using that says the lion shall lie with the lamb?

God bless you,
In Christ, ted