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The beginning and the end.

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For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. 1 John 5:3

showing mercy to thousands who love Me and keep My commandments Exodus 20:6

If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15
 
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In the book of Revelation (the Revelation of Jesus Christ), Jesus refers to Himself as the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.​

Some examples of Jesus, the beginning and the end.

The beginning.

The Word (Jesus) was with God and was God.

John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jesus created the heaven and the earth, and all living things, and saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Jesus rested and sanctified the seventh-day Sabbath in the beginning.

Genesis 2:1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
The end.

Jesus prophesies coming in the clouds.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
John sees a vision of Jesus coming in the clouds.

Revelation 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Jesus speaks the word of God, smiting the wicked.

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Revelation 19:17 And the remnant [wicked] were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
In the book of Isaiah, chapter 46, we find a highly compressed description of God and His will for us.

Isaiah 46:9-13 Remember the former things of old: for I am God(1), and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done(2), saying, My counsel shall stand(3), and I will do all my pleasure: Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country(4): yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it(5). Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off(6), and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory(7).
Let's unpack these verses.

NOTE: What follows is by no means a complete unpacking of the above verses, but examples of what they point to. It would take hours of poring over scripture to list them all, and much more space than this forum post can handle.

1. Remember the former things of old, for He is God.

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Numbers 15:38-40 Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue: And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the Lord, and do them ; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring: That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God.
2. He declares the end from the beginning. From ancient times the things that are not yet done.

God prophesying to the serpent at the beginning, declaring the end:

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
The Spirit of Prophecy:

Hebrews 1:1-2 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds.

Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
3. His counsel shall stand.

Sabbath:

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

Exodus 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Jew and Gentile:

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Acts of the Apostles 10:34-35 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
We are grafted into Israel:

Galatians 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Romans 9:6-8 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Also see Romans 11:16-27.
The Law of God:

Romans 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law [worketh righteousness (above)], shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled [from the beginning to the end].

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
4. He calls a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country.

A reference to Cyrus.

2 Chronicles 36:22-23 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord spoken by the mouth of Jeremiah might be accomplished, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying, Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, All the kingdoms of the earth hath the Lord God of heaven given me; and he hath charged me to build him an house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Who is there among you of all his people? The Lord his God be with him, and let him go up.
Of note, the supper of the great God:

Revelation 19:17-18 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
5. Yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

Did not Jerusalem inherit the promised land?

Deuteronomy 30:9-10 And the Lord thy God will make thee plenteous in every work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good: for the Lord will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers: If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
6. Hearken unto Him (a message to the stouthearted and unrighteous).

Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
7. His salvation shall not tarry.

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Revelation 22:10-12 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Conclusions:
In the scripture it points to, we find:
His will is done
Christian principles
Obedience: The Sabbath
The center of the Ten Commandments
Repeatedly referenced through the creation
Repeatedly called to remember
God's sign throughout the generations
A perpetual covenant
Christian principles:

The Mosaic (Old) Covenant is obsolete. (Hebrews 8:13)

"Love fulfills the law and whatever other commandment there may be." (Romans 13:8-10)
    • Righteousness
    • Service
    • Salvation
  • All of us are Israel
  • The Spirit of Prophecy
    • Lessons of the past, starting with the beginning
    • Repeating events
    • Ever-present truth
    • Future events, culminating in the end
    • Time is short
  • The character of God
    • His law
    • His desire for us
    • His pleasure
    • His love
  • Jesus
    • The Alpha and Omega
    • The beginning and the end
    • The first and the last
 
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Christian principles: The Mosaic (Old) Covenant is obsolete. (Hebrews 8:13) "Love fulfills the law and whatever other commandment there may be." (Romans 13:8-10)
According to the scriptures, love is not separate from obedience to God's law. According to the scriptures love is obedience to Gods' law from a new heart and is linked into Gods' new covenant promise. Let's look at the detail. According to Jesus love is not separate from Gods' law. Love is expressed in obeying God's law from the heart which is a part of Gods' new covenant promise written in Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34; and Ezekiel 36:24-27.

This is why Jesus says in Matthew 22:36-40 that "on these two commandments" of love to God and man "Hang all the law and the prophets." Love to God and man is not separate from obedience to God's law. Love is obedience to Gods' law. This is in agreement to what Paul says in Romans 13:8-10 where he shows that love to our neighbor is obeying all of those commandments in God's 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man. Paul agreeing with Jesus goes on to show if we love our neighbor as our self we will not commit adultery, we will not kill, we will not steal, we will not bear false witness, we will not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

So love is obeying God's law not breaking it. James also agrees with Jesus and Paul when he says if we show partiality in love it is the same as showing partiality in keeping God's 10 commandments and the result is standing guilty before God of sin in James 2:8-12. John is also in agreement with Jesus, Paul and James when he defines love as obeying Gods' commandments in 1 John 5:2-3. So no one here can claim to love God by breaking Gods' law. If we are practicing sin and breaking Gods' law that is a sign that we do not love God. *John 14:21 as love is not just a feeling separate from our actions *John 14:15.

If we love God therefore according to Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; 1 John 5:2-3; John 14:21 and John 14:15
  • Will we have other Gods?
  • Will we make idols and worship them?
  • Will we take his name [follow] him in vain?
  • Will we remember his seventh day Sabbath and keep it holy?
If we love our neighbour therefore according to Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; 1 John 5:2-3; John 14:21 and John 14:15
  • Will we honor our parents?
  • Will we murder?
  • Will we commit adultery with our neighbor's spouse?
  • Will we steal from them?
  • Will we lie to them?
  • Will we covet what they own?
Now if your answer is no then you agree with me. If your answer is yes what kind of love are you talking about where breaking any of Gods' 10 commandments is loving God or loving our fellow man? Yet the above is only what Jesus is telling us in Matthew 22:36-40; Paul in Romans 13:8-10; James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-3 (see also 1 John 3:6-9; Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4; Romans 6:1-23 and 1 John 2:3-4).

..............

According to the scriptures, love is not separate from our actions. According to the scriptures we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9 but Gods grace is so we can be obedient to the faith *Romans 1:5. Obedience to God's Law is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14.

Your may also want to consider that Jesus saves us from the inside out which is why we need to be born again *John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:4 into God's new covenant promise through faith to receive a new heart to love and walk in His Spirit *Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27; Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:2-4; Galatians 5:16.

Take Care.
 
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According to the scriptures, love is not separate from obedience to God's law. According to the scriptures love is obedience to Gods' law from a new heart and is linked into Gods' new covenant promise. Let's look at the detail. According to Jesus love is not separate from Gods' law. Love is expressed in obeying God's law from the heart which is a part of Gods' new covenant promise written in Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34; and Ezekiel 36:24-27.

This is why Jesus says in Matthew 22:36-40 that "on these two commandments" of love to God and man "Hang all the law and the prophets." Love to God and man is not separate from obedience to God's law. Love is obedience to Gods' law. This is in agreement to what Paul says in Romans 13:8-10 where he shows that love to our neighbor is obeying all of those commandments in God's 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man. Paul agreeing with Jesus goes on to show if we love our neighbor as our self we will not commit adultery, we will not kill, we will not steal, we will not bear false witness, we will not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

So love is obeying God's law not breaking it. James also agrees with Jesus and Paul when he says if we show partiality in love it is the same as showing partiality in keeping God's 10 commandments and the result is standing guilty before God of sin in James 2:8-12. John is also in agreement with Jesus, Paul and James when he defines love as obeying Gods' commandments in 1 John 5:2-3. So no one here can claim to love God by breaking Gods' law. If we are practicing sin and breaking Gods' law that is a sign that we do not love God. *John 14:21 as love is not just a feeling separate from our actions *John 14:15.

If we love God therefore according to Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; 1 John 5:2-3; John 14:21 and John 14:15
  • Will we have other Gods?
  • Will we make idols and worship them?
  • Will we take his name [follow] him in vain?
  • Will we remember his seventh day Sabbath and keep it holy?
If we love our neighbour therefore according to Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; 1 John 5:2-3; John 14:21 and John 14:15
  • Will we honor our parents?
  • Will we murder?
  • Will we commit adultery with our neighbor's spouse?
  • Will we steal from them?
  • Will we lie to them?
  • Will we covet what they own?
Now if your answer is no then you agree with me. If your answer is yes what kind of love are you talking about where breaking any of Gods' 10 commandments is loving God or loving our fellow man? Yet the above is only what Jesus is telling us in Matthew 22:36-40; Paul in Romans 13:8-10; James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-3 (see also 1 John 3:6-9; Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4; Romans 6:1-23 and 1 John 2:3-4).

..............

According to the scriptures, love is not separate from our actions. According to the scriptures we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9 but Gods grace is so we can be obedient to the faith *Romans 1:5. Obedience to God's Law is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14.

Your may also want to consider that Jesus saves us from the inside out which is why we need to be born again *John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:4 into God's new covenant promise through faith to receive a new heart to love and walk in His Spirit *Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27; Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:2-4; Galatians 5:16.

Take Care.
Amen! Great post LGW.
 
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True faith saves.
True faith obeys.

But it is not faith's obedience which saves nor justifies (makes righteous), it is only faith itself, apart from faith's works which saves (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 4:2) and justifies (Romans 3:21, Romans 3:28; Romans 4:3, Romans 4:5; Galatians 2:16, Galatians 3:11).

And that's because "Salvation is the Lord's!" (Revelation 7:10, Revelation 19:1),
his and his alone! (Revelation 4:11, Revelation 7:12)
Man cannot say he contributed anything. . .whatsoever! (Ephesians 2:9; Romans 4:2).
For God neither gives to nor shares his glory with another! (Isaiah 48:5, Isaiah 42:8).

Having been to the third heaven (2 Corinthians 12:1-8) and given understanding of its importance and necessity, Paul is most emphatic that salvation and justification are apart from faith's works (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 4:2; Acts 13:39; Romans 3:20-21; Galatians 2:16, Galatians 3:11), which necessary works, however, lead to righteousness (Romans 6:16) leading to holiness (Romans 6:19) of sanctification, which is God's will for the believer (1 Thessalonians 4:3).

This is where love of neighbor fulfills the law and more, for the law only proscribes (much of which is criminal behavior), while love prescribes.
 
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The Mosaic (Old) Covenant is obsolete. (Hebrews 8:13)

"Love fulfills the law and whatever other commandment there may be." (Romans 13:8-10)

Didn't you just suggest to me in another thread that this is not what you believe? And look at the response you received from LGW in the post (#23) immediately below yours: it begins with scriptural meanings and examples pertaining to what God in His Word actually means by "love", the same thing we were just discussing in the other thread. Enough said.
 
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Didn't you just suggest to me in another thread that this is not what you believe?
No. . .

You are misunderstanding something somewhere.

Perhaps you mistook the word order of my question there: "Did Christ not. . ."
to be a statement: "Christ did not. . ."
 
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In the book of Revelation (the Revelation of Jesus Christ), Jesus refers to Himself as the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.​

Some examples of Jesus, the beginning and the end.

The beginning.

The Word (Jesus) was with God and was God.

John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jesus created the heaven and the earth, and all living things, and saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Jesus rested and sanctified the seventh-day Sabbath in the beginning.

Genesis 2:1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
The end.

Jesus prophesies coming in the clouds.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
John sees a vision of Jesus coming in the clouds.

Revelation 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Jesus speaks the word of God, smiting the wicked.

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Revelation 19:17 And the remnant [wicked] were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
In the book of Isaiah, chapter 46, we find a highly compressed description of God and His will for us.

Isaiah 46:9-13 Remember the former things of old: for I am God(1), and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done(2), saying, My counsel shall stand(3), and I will do all my pleasure: Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country(4): yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it(5). Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off(6), and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory(7).
Let's unpack these verses.

NOTE: What follows is by no means a complete unpacking of the above verses, but examples of what they point to. It would take hours of poring over scripture to list them all, and much more space than this forum post can handle.

1. Remember the former things of old, for He is God.

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Numbers 15:38-40 Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue: And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the Lord, and do them ; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring: That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God.
2. He declares the end from the beginning. From ancient times the things that are not yet done.

God prophesying to the serpent at the beginning, declaring the end:

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
The Spirit of Prophecy:

Hebrews 1:1-2 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds.

Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
3. His counsel shall stand.

Sabbath:

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

Exodus 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Jew and Gentile:

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Acts of the Apostles 10:34-35 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
We are grafted into Israel:

Galatians 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Romans 9:6-8 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Also see Romans 11:16-27.
The Law of God:

Romans 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law [worketh righteousness (above)], shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled [from the beginning to the end].

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
4. He calls a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country.

A reference to Cyrus.

2 Chronicles 36:22-23 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord spoken by the mouth of Jeremiah might be accomplished, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying, Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, All the kingdoms of the earth hath the Lord God of heaven given me; and he hath charged me to build him an house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Who is there among you of all his people? The Lord his God be with him, and let him go up.
Of note, the supper of the great God:

Revelation 19:17-18 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
5. Yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

Did not Jerusalem inherit the promised land?

Deuteronomy 30:9-10 And the Lord thy God will make thee plenteous in every work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good: for the Lord will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers: If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
6. Hearken unto Him (a message to the stouthearted and unrighteous).

Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
7. His salvation shall not tarry.

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Revelation 22:10-12 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Conclusions:
  • In the description of Himself in Isaiah 46:
    • In the scripture it points to, we find:
      • His will is done
      • Christian principles
        • Jesus
        • The Word of God
        • Faith
        • Repentance (prayer)
        • Obedience
          • The Sabbath
            • The center of the Ten Commandments
            • Repeatedly referenced with creation
            • Repeatedly called to remember
            • God's sign throughout the generations
            • A perpetual covenant
        • Righteousness
        • Service
        • Salvation
      • All of us are Israel
      • The Spirit of Prophecy
        • Lessons of the past, starting with the beginning
        • Repeating events
        • Ever-present truth
        • Future events, culminating in the end
        • Time is short
      • The character of God
        • His law
        • His desire for us
        • His pleasure
        • His love
      • Jesus
        • The Alpha and Omega
        • The beginning and the end
        • The first and the last


Isaiah 44:1 - 6 is useful and should shed light for them that have trouble identifying what the commandments are.
 
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This is where the teaching starts to break down for me. I can't find anyone who will specify what those commandments are.
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Until you found The "Baptist Confession of Faith - section 19" and then "the Westminster Confession of Faith - Section 19" and then D.L. Moody's sermon on the Ten Commandments.. etc as we discussed many times before.

All of which make it clear and obvious that the TEN are included in the Law of God written on the heart under the New Covenant of Jer 31:31-34

so 'yeah, except for that"

I hear what you're saying, but all I'm asking you to do is specify those other commandments,

I thought you said you also reject the TEN as being included in those commands that still apply. Have you now changed on that position of yours?
 
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Until you found The "Baptist Confession of Faith - section 19" and then "the Westminster Confession of Faith - Section 19" and then D.L. Moody's sermon on the Ten Commandments.. etc as we discussed many times before.

All of which make it clear and obvious that the TEN are included in the Law of God written on the heart under the New Covenant of Jer 31:31-34

so 'yeah, except for that"



I thought you said you also reject the TEN as being included in those commands that still apply. Have you now changed on that position of yours?
I don't think those two confessions list all of the commandments that we are to keep today. Do you believe that they do? That's where the teaching that says keep only parts of the law of Moses starts to break down, in my experience.

The key point is the word "all". That's what the OP uses.

I think we are to keep all of the law of Moses in principle, but none of the letters of it are binding on us today. So Yes, I accept the principles of the ten commandments, but I reject the idea that we are to follow the letters of those commandments.

If I remember correctly, you like to focus on the letters of the ten commandments. If you would like to go ahead and list the letters of the rest of the commandments from the law of Moses that you keep, that would be great!

May the Lord bless you and keep you.
 
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I don't think those two confessions list all of the commandments that we are to keep today.

Do you accept that they specify the TEN as being included?

Why then do we find this in your post...

Leaf473 said:
This is where the teaching starts to break down for me. I can't find anyone who will specify what those commandments are.

Did you mean to post " I can't find anyone who will specify what those commandments are - other than the TEN"???

I think we are to keep all of the law of Moses in principle, but none of the letters of it are binding

so don't keep what the words actually say when you see them on paper - but still "keep" the Law???

I agree that you probably don't find anyone saying that.

How about the NT? The Gospels? Are you ok with the Gospels when you see the text written on paper???
 
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Do you accept that they specify the TEN as being included?

Why then do we find this in your post...



Did you mean to post " I can't find anyone who will specify what those commandments are - other than the TEN"???



so don't keep what the words actually say when you see them on paper - but still "keep" the Law???

I agree that you probably don't find anyone saying that.

How about the NT? The Gospels? Are you ok with the Gospels when you see the text written on paper???
Yes, I agree that those two confessions include the ten commandments.

If you look at the context of post #2 which you are quoting, you will see that the part of the OP that I quoted talks about all the commandments. That's the key word, All.

That would include the 10 and all the rest.

Do I have to keep saying In addition to the 10?

The vast majority of Christians keep the principles in the law of Moses, but not the letters imo. Putting that into words may be too abstract for a lot of people, so I agree that you don't hear them talking about it.

But as far as a discussion between you and me goes, if you are saying that we are to keep the letters of the ten commandments plus some others, the place where keeping the letter of the law breaks down is most easily seen in the Plus some others part.
 
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Yes, I agree that those two confessions include the ten commandments.

Ok -- so nice to agree on some of the basics.

Did you mean to post " I can't find anyone who will specify what those commandments are - other than the TEN"???

Do I have to keep saying In addition to the 10?

If you are going to keep posting "no one will tell me what the commandments are" and then get reminded of those confessions of faith stating that the TEN are included - only to respond "ok ... well then... besides the ten"... then maybe you should let the reader know about that caveat in your post.


The vast majority of Christians keep the principles in the law of Moses, but not the letters imo.

so then "do not take God's name in vain" you're arguing that they actually do take God's name in vain technically (as per "the letter of the law") - while still being in perfect compliance with that command "in principle"??

Maybe you can explain that.
 
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Ok -- so nice to agree on some of the basics.

Did you mean to post " I can't find anyone who will specify what those commandments are - other than the TEN"???



If you are going to keep posting "no one will tell me what the commandments are" and then get reminded of those confessions of faith stating that the TEN are included - only to respond "ok ... well then... besides the ten"... then maybe you should let the reader know about that caveat in your post.




so then "do not take God's name in vain" you're arguing that they actually do take God's name in vain technically (as per "the letter of the law") - while still being in perfect compliance with that command "in principle"??

Maybe you can explain that.
I think most readers understood that the OP wasn't referring to things like animal sacrifices when he quoted the verse that talks about All my commandments.

In many cases keeping the principle of a law will overlap with keeping the letter. So a person who keeps the principle of not murdering will virtually always keep the letter of that law as well. But the focus is on the principle.

(I think the commandment about not taking God's name in vain is a hard example to talk about since no one today knows what God's name is for sure. I can't imagine how someone would actually break the letter of that law.)

Here's a law from Deuteronomy 26. Most Christians I know are in favor of giving to God. I don't know of anyone who keeps this law to the letter.

12 When you have made an end of tithing all the tithe of your increase in the third year, which is the year of tithing, then you shall give it to the Levite, to the foreigner, to the fatherless, and to the widow, that they may eat within your gates, and be filled. 13You shall say before the LORD your God, "I have put away the holy things out of my house, and also have given them to the Levite, and to the foreigner, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all your commandment which you have commanded me: I have not transgressed any of your commandments, neither have I forgotten them: 14I have not eaten of it in my mourning, neither have I put away of it, being unclean, nor given of it for the dead: I have listened to the voice of the LORD my God; I have done according to all that you have commanded me. 15Look down from your holy habitation, from heaven, and bless your people Israel, and the ground which you have given us, as you swore to our fathers, a land flowing with milk and honey."
 
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I think most readers understood that the OP wasn't referring to things like animal sacrifices when he quoted the verse that talks about All my commandments.

Probably so. Most would read it thinking that the OP affirmed the Ten Commandments but would never imagine he meant "well not the Ten as in what they actually say when you see them written... but just in some vague principle fashion".

It would have been pretty hard to read that one into the OP.
 
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(I think the commandment about not taking God's name in vain is a hard example to talk about since no one today knows what God's name is for sure. I can't imagine how someone would actually break the letter of that law.)

Turns out - that's not true. Almost everyone knows what this means and it is so blatantly obvious that even the non-Christians being interviewed on the street by Ray Comfort in those videos on "Way of the Master" ministry web site -- all seem to understand the point perfectly. Not nearly as mysterious as some may have hoped.
 
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Probably so. Most would read it thinking that the OP affirmed the Ten Commandments but would never imagine he meant "well not the Ten as in what they actually say when you see them written... but just in some vague principle fashion".

It would have been pretty hard to read that one into the OP.
That's why I brought up what happens as I follow out the OP's train of thought.
 
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Turns out - that's not true. Almost everyone knows what this means and it is so blatantly obvious that even the non-Christians being interviewed on the street by Ray Comfort in those videos on "Way of the Master" ministry web site -- all seem to understand the point perfectly. Not nearly as mysterious as some may have hoped.
It's a very popular misconception that Lord or God are God's names. Of course, they are titles.

God's name is written as foir Hebrew consonants. As far as I know, no one knows for sure how to pronounce it.
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Would you like to address the passage from Deuteronomy 26 above?
 
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