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caravelair said:that's rediculous. the theory of evolution is intended to explain the origins of biological diversity ONLY. it has nothing at all to do with the origin of matter. we can't expect evolution to explain that anymore than we can expect general relativity, or quantum mechanics to explain it. do you also dismiss germ theory because it doesn't explain the origin of matter?
caravelair said:yes but there is no way for us to know that for sure. you believe god created the matter, you don't know it.
Well, im not trying to get on your bad side, but are you really content with just not knowing?
Call it a personality quirk but I couldnt stand to be that way, but thats just me
Kasey said:Oh, well I stand corrected on all that Evolution explains. I just understood the mainstream idea of it, that we all evolved over a long period of time.
If you know that Evolution doesnt explain the origins of matter, then why believe in Evolution?
If you know that Evolution doesnt explain the origins of matter, then why believe in Evolution?
Dragar said:I take it, then, you consider fluid dynamics flawed because they do not explain where the fluid being considered comes from?
How about general relativity? That's flawed because we don't know where spacetime comes from?
Dirac's relativistic electron? Nonsense; we don't know how electrons are created!
Germ theory? Flawed; we don't know where they came from!
Is your position apparently absurd enough yet?
Dragar
Not entirely. Coming form my position, I believe that I have evidence, lots of it, to prove where all of that comes from, but, whether or not you accept it is up to you. Therefore, always back to square one eh?
caravelair said:because, in addition to having been directly observed, it is supported by an overwhelming body of evidence, as you can see here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
Dragar said:You're not talking about evolution, Kasey. You're talking about atheism.
So..let me get this straight...
You reject an atheistic worldview because it fails to provide answer certain questions (i.e. origins of the universe, origins of matter, etc.)?
Dragar
Kasey said:Hmm, ill take a look at that in detail later. Just to see whether or not it actually is plausible. After all, no point in being a hypocrite. It really doesnt solve anything.
Kasey said:Well, it just seems to me like Athiests always like to go towards evolution, I guess thats why i seem to mix them up a lot.
In regards to your question. Yes.
To me, any explanations of origins needs to be able to explain where matter comes from otherwise its not fact, its theory. A sound theory or provable fact would be able to answer those questions.
At least, thats the way I see it.
Has got NOTHING to do with the theory of evolutionKasey said:Yes, I have a question. Explain the origins of "matter". Where did matter come from?
Has got NOTHING to do with the theory of evolutionKasey said:Exactly, you dont know, but lets avoid all possiblity of it being created by a God
Dragar said:As for evolution...
Kasey, would evolution + God work better for you? With the two together, you can know where matter came from (God), and you know how life evolved to give us the diversity of the species (evolution).
Dragar
caravelair said:but just because you have AN explanation, doesn't make it the right one, does it?
Well, it just seems to me like Athiests always like to go towards evolution, I guess thats why i seem to mix them up a lot.
In regards to your question. Yes.
To me, any explanations of origins needs to be able to explain where matter comes from otherwise its not fact, its theory. A sound theory or provable fact would be able to answer those questions.
caravelair said:great! i think you'll find it's an interesting read, but it is a long one too.
I'm sorry but that just ticks me off on multiple levels. Just because the theory of gravity doesn't explain why my sandwich doesn't taste like water I should dismiss it>? F*** that reasoning Kasey. You are now simply dismissing evolution (an explanaintion of how diffrent species came to be), because it can't awnser the origin of matter (an entire diffrent field of study).Kasey said:Yes. If you cant explain the origins of matter through a theory about existence and creation, then its flawed. Evolution explains how life evolved, I understand that, but it doesnt explain the origins of the "matter" that was there before the evolving.
Hence, flawed.
No, it wouldnt because there are some aspects that actually correlate with my beliefs, but some do not. Therefore, in its entirely, evolution and my beliefs cannot completely co-exist.
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